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Energy doesn't exist, it's an imaginary soothsaying construct

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gabydewilde - 21 Nov 2008 03:12 GMT
Energy tries to describe events that didn't take place jet.

When the event does take place the energy goes some place else.

If I have 2 marbles and 1 hole the size of 1 marble one could argue
the marbles both have gravitational potential energy.

Dropping one of the marbles into the hole renders the other one
neutral.

This means the property potential energy can not be assigned to the
marble.

Then most importantly:

We don't have to drop the marble into the hole.

So the soothsaying is no more than wishful thinking.

The predicted event doesn't have to take place so the potential future
is mis-predicted.

The word Energy tries to describe motion, gravity, electricity,
pressures and what not?

But to pretend one such deemed potential would convert into another
1:1 is always wrong.

We live in an open system, all events are influenced by all other
events.

White noise contains all frequencies of vibration.

The unidirectional Æther of white noise is flowing through the earth
is bouncing into the molecules the earth is made up of. This partially
filters those frequencies out of the white noise. The result is that
matter at the planetary surface vibrating on the same bandwidth is now
subjected to filtered white noise.

Gravity doesn't have a f.ck to do with potential energy or even with
attraction.

It is yo molecules resonating with the remaining sympathetic
vibrations of yo Æther.

You may also call it: zero point energy/ dark energy/ stardust /
orgone energy/ radiation etc etc bla bla?

Nuclear explosions have nothing to do with splittin sh.t up.

The outer shell of the bomb compresses the inner shell thus therefor
pushing it into a higher density/ frequency.  Earth, the sun and other
planets are also filtering this higher frequency out of the Æther
flow.

BOOM! The radiation frequency is inducted into nearby molecules by
means of a violent shock wave.

geiger counters don't me sure emitted particles. They measure the
lack there of. The particles are coming from the other end people!

The real physics is behind you and energy just doesn't exist other
than in the conversation there of.

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Uncle Al - 21 Nov 2008 03:36 GMT
> Energy tries to describe events that didn't take place jet.
>
> When the event does take place the energy goes some place else.
[snip crap]

Dr. Schund has pioneered the -14 mpg carburetor.  It makes fuel as you
drive.

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Bill Ward - 21 Nov 2008 04:39 GMT
>> Energy tries to describe events that didn't take place jet.
>>
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> Dr. Schund has pioneered the -14 mpg carburetor.  It makes fuel as you
> drive.

Only in reverse, though.  That's why it never really caught on.
gabydewilde - 21 Nov 2008 04:57 GMT
> >> Energy tries to describe events that didn't take place jet.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Only in reverse, though.  That's why it never really caught on.

Yes, but Tucker did use aluminum Helicopter engines gravity should do
the rest.

Jack Nicholson silicon solar hydrogen car does back up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjfONpsFvyM

Bit primitive but it works.
Uncle Al - 21 Nov 2008 16:50 GMT
> >> Energy tries to describe events that didn't take place jet.
> >>
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>
> Only in reverse, though.  That's why it never really caught on.

Congress may vote upon a $25 billion bailout.  This will finance
relocation of the steering wheel to the back seat, facing the trunk.
Further allocations will move the gas and brake peddles.  Intensive
studies promise to redesign the car so it entirely faces in the
opposite direction, going backwards as it goes forwards.

The world will then be awash with gasoline and diesel, requiring
massive fleets of massive tankers to massively move massive petroleum
excesses to massive underground waste storage sequestration sites,
possibly in the Middle East.  More studies are needed.

Then... We team with Bosch to design the negative mileage fuel
injector.

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Bill Ward - 21 Nov 2008 18:27 GMT
>> >> Energy tries to describe events that didn't take place jet.
>> >>
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> massive underground waste storage sequestration sites, possibly in the
> Middle East.  More studies are needed.

Or shift to 100% ethanol fuel and just drink our way out.

> Then... We team with Bosch to design the negative mileage fuel injector.
hhc314@yahoo.com - 22 Nov 2008 19:03 GMT
> Then... We team with Bosch to design the negative mileage fuel
> injector.

Now Al, that's plain nasty!  Anyone who has even owned a German car
knows that its primary weakness in its Bosch electrical system.

For example, when I owned an Opel, the Bosch ignition sysem was so bad
that I carried a propane torch with me to dry out the wires and
distributor cap before the car would start in cold, wet weather.

Back around 1966, when I worked for EK in Rochester, NY and flew a
great deal, when I arrived home and attempted to start my Opel that
had been sitting in the airport parking lot for a week, I needed to
use the torch. Fellow travelers returning home who drove VWs and
Mercedes ran into the same problem, and my little "Berz O Matic"
propane torch (which I still own) was shared with many other German
made car owners who otherwise would have been left stranded in the
Monroe Country Airport parking lot at 9 in the evening.

That's my testimonial to Bosch engineering expertise!

In retrospect, I find this rather strange, since I hold a very high
level of respect for German engineering. Unfortunately, German
engineering and manufacturing skill does not appear to extend to
anything electrical.

Harry C.
gabydewilde - 21 Nov 2008 04:48 GMT
> > Energy tries to describe events that didn't take place jet.
>
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> Dr. Schund has pioneered the -14 mpg carburetor.  It makes fuel as you
> drive.

Ah, hello my nobelius friendicus Al.

I'm afraid Dr. Schund didn't provide a link, technical specifications,
construction darwings and photolytic plates, should I submit official
enqueries?

I did has found this treasure in your chest:

http://members.cox.net/xemist/ecar2.htm
"The idea of 1300 pounds of lead acid storage batteries furnishing the
driving radius of three gallons of gasoline was truly precious,
bordering on European."

European? It appears you have forgotten how cheap Dutch people really
are. We cant afford 650 000 gram of batteries, and if we could we will
deny the whole thing! no no no and no again!

To prove my point I had designed this long-long ago.
http://wind-car.go-here.nl/

In1973 Shell Oil converted this "of the shelve" Opel and it did 160
kilometers per liter.
http://www.opel-p1.nl/custom/testcar/Shell%20Opel.htm

For people still measuring with limbs and gardens this is 376 miles
per Gallon.

Fear the aquanuclear drive you Petrodollarian you!

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WE WILL ADD YOUR GENETIC DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN.

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Uncle Al - 21 Nov 2008 16:43 GMT
> > > Energy tries to describe events that didn't take place jet.
> >
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>
> WE WILL ADD YOUR GENETIC DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN.

There are few remaining Dutch.  The Netherlands is presently a Muslim
enclave decorated with outraged East Indians.  Blow the dykes!

Dr. Schund does not rest upon his laurels.  He exposes them to
everybody,

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/htoo.htm

There ya go, Pilgrim - infinite energy *plus* infinite hydrogen until
14 August 23,146 AD, with refereed literature citations.  All it lacks
is a $25 billion Federal subsidy with no oversight.

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zzbunker@netscape.net - 21 Nov 2008 17:25 GMT
> > > Energy tries to describe events that didn't take place jet.
>
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> For people still measuring with limbs and gardens this is 376 miles
> per Gallon.

  Well, that's the best thing about measuring with limbs and gardens,
  Since that's how you make Holograms, RISC, Microcomputers, Fiber
Optics, Optiical Computers,
  CD, DVD, HDTV,  Pv Cells, Post Ford Batteries, All-In-One Printers,
  Elibraries, On-Line-Publishing,  HTML, USB, XML, and Post GM
Robotics. And you can tell idiots
  like Physicts to get a job with Chrylser.

> Fear the aquanuclear drive you Petrodollarian you!
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Igor - 22 Nov 2008 00:58 GMT
Imaginary energy?  Sure, but only in Minkowski coordinates.
gabydewilde - 22 Nov 2008 09:03 GMT
> Imaginary energy?

Please show the energy?

What is it made of?

How do I measure it?
Desertphile - 22 Nov 2008 18:41 GMT
> > Imaginary energy?

> Please show the energy?

Energy is not a thing: it is a how much.

> What is it made of?

Energy is not made of anything: it is a how much.

> How do I measure it?

Energy is a measurement, genius.

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BURT - 22 Nov 2008 20:55 GMT
> > Imaginary energy?
>
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>
> How do I measure it?

In point particle energy is above C squared because it is mass in
motion and energy is infinitely dense because it occupies an
infinitely small point in space.

Mitch Raemsch
Igor - 24 Nov 2008 00:28 GMT
> > Imaginary energy?
>
> Please show the energy?

iE.  But only in Minkowski coordinates.

> What is it made of?

> How do I measure it?

You must have missed that first day of physics class when they defined
energy as the capacity to do work.
Rob Dekker - 03 Dec 2008 02:19 GMT
> "gabydewilde" <fototour@gmail.com> wrote in message news:9e089a13-cd22-44d2-bfe1-dae51556c096@w35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Energy tries to describe events that didn't take place jet.

Not sure why you say this, because energy does not describe events (past or future).

In Feynmann's words :

"It is not a description of a mechanism, or anything concrete; it is just a strange fact that we can calculate some number and when
we finish watching nature go through her tricks and calculate the number again, it is the same."

> When the event does take place the energy goes some place else.
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> The predicted event doesn't have to take place so the potential future
> is mis-predicted.

It seems that you talk about 'potential' energy as some number that may never be 'realized'.
But that's completely beside the point of what 'potential' energy really means.
The two marbles have equal potential energy, simply because they is a force on them.

Whether or not that force actually results in velocity in the future (and thus would convert potential energy to kinetic energy) is
immaterial.
The potential energy is there regardless of the presence of holes underneith. There may not be anything under the marbles, or there
may be a solid table without holes.
There is no 'predicting' or anything like that.

> The word Energy tries to describe motion, gravity, electricity,
> pressures and what not?

It does not.
What is DOES do is to describe RELATIONSHIPS between motion and gravity or electric field and charges or temperature and pressures
etc.
That's why energy is such a handy concept in physics.

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