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Desertphile - 22 Nov 2008 18:45 GMT
Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
already exist. I have an interest in physics, and trying to pick
the non-kook articles out of the much, much larger kook articles
in this newsgroup takes a great deal of time.

I make YouTube videos on the subject of "free energy," and I am
tired of doing so. I am not a physicist, nor am I educated. I
would love to see people actually educated in the subject make
YouTube videos debunking "free energy" claims.

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Androcles - 22 Nov 2008 20:12 GMT
> Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
> one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> would love to see people actually educated in the subject make
> YouTube videos debunking "free energy" claims.

There is no charge for sunlight, kook. What do you want, a movie
of the Sun?
Desertphile - 24 Nov 2008 04:25 GMT
> > Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
> > one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> > would love to see people actually educated in the subject make
> > YouTube videos debunking "free energy" claims.

> There is no charge for sunlight, kook. What do you want, a movie
> of the Sun?

Sunlight isn't free energy, fucktard.

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Androcles - 24 Nov 2008 11:16 GMT
>> > Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
>> > one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Sunlight isn't free energy, fucktard.

Ok, you can start paying me for it, retarded dumbfuck.
tadchem - 22 Nov 2008 21:27 GMT
On Nov 22, 1:45 pm, Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net>
wrote:
> Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
> one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
> "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz

http://www.crank.net/
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
and somewhat redundantly: http://www.ka9q.net/crackpots/index.html
http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm
and for a laugh or two: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm

HTH

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
Androcles - 22 Nov 2008 22:49 GMT
On Nov 22, 1:45 pm, Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net>
wrote:
> Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
> one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
> "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz

http://www.crank.net/
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
and somewhat redundantly: http://www.ka9q.net/crackpots/index.html
http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm
and for a laugh or two: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm

HTH

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

Fits your buddy Einstein to a tee, Tom.
hhc314@yahoo.com - 22 Nov 2008 21:44 GMT
On Nov 22, 1:45 pm, Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net>
wrote:
> Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
> one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
> "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz

Try sci.physics.research

This is a moderated physics newsgroup.  There are others.

Harry C.
hhc314@yahoo.com - 22 Nov 2008 22:19 GMT
On Nov 22, 4:44 pm, "hhc...@yahoo.com" <hhc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 1:45 pm, Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Harry C.

As an afterthough, if you attempt to post anything about Free Energy
on sci.physics.research, be sure that your "Free Energy" term refers
to the thermodynamics parameter having this name, otherwise the group
moderator might be tempted to "cut you a new one".  The moderated
science newsgroups are best read for a year, before attempting to post
to them.

In a way this strike me as funny, since 10 years ago sci.physics
operated at this level, where even physicist hesitated a bit prior to
posting. Today you can see what the "Dumbing down of America" coupled
with the fact that even a total idiot can now post to Usenet has led
to.

As a consequence, today all serious scientific discussion groups are
now moderated, and to spare the work of the moderator, tend to conceal
the fact that they even exist. Trust me, there are many such
Newsgroups, that address just about every scientific subject.

Now. simply in kindess, study university level physics for a few years
and you will first learn the language of physics, plus learn where the
real physics discussion newsgroups are today. If you current NNTP
server does not reveal them to you, then all I can suggest is that you
need a better news server.

Harry C.
Desertphile - 24 Nov 2008 04:25 GMT
> On Nov 22, 4:44 pm, "hhc...@yahoo.com" <hhc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 22, 1:45 pm, Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> > > would love to see people actually educated in the subject make
> > > YouTube videos debunking "free energy" claims.

> > Try sci.physics.research
> >
> > This is a moderated physics newsgroup.  There are others.
> >
> > Harry C.

> As an afterthough, if you attempt to post anything about Free Energy
> on sci.physics.research, be sure that your "Free Energy" term refers
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> the fact that they even exist. Trust me, there are many such
> Newsgroups, that address just about every scientific subject.

talk.origins I read daily, and it has turned into a Creationist
cess pool.... but it was specifically designed to draw
Creationists awar from serious newsgroups about biology. I suppose
this newsgroup (sci.physics) has become the talk.origins of
physics. There was a time when the sci.* newsgroups were mostly
meat and damn little nutcases.

> Now. simply in kindess, study university level physics for a few years
> and you will first learn the language of physics, plus learn where the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Harry C.

Greetings. I am self-educated on phytsics (Newtonian and
electromagnetic) but I would like to have an actually physicist or
two make YouTube videos debunking "free energy." I have made
dozens of such videos and I have done a good job as far as I can
tell, but I am bloody tired of it. The "Free energy" cultists in
YouTube are much like Creationists, Scientology customers, and
Moonies when it comes to trying to educate them on the subject.

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Desertphile - 24 Nov 2008 04:25 GMT
> On Nov 22, 1:45 pm, Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> > would love to see people actually educated in the subject make
> > YouTube videos debunking "free energy" claims.

> Try sci.physics.research
> This is a moderated physics newsgroup.  There are others.

Thank you: I will see the the NNTP server I use has that
newsgroup.

> Harry C.

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Tom Potter - 23 Nov 2008 04:28 GMT
> Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
> one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> would love to see people actually educated in the subject make
> YouTube videos debunking "free energy" claims.

Very interesting web site!

I enjoyed it very much.

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Androcles - 23 Nov 2008 04:55 GMT
> Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
> one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> would love to see people actually educated in the subject make
> YouTube videos debunking "free energy" claims.

Very interesting web site!

I enjoyed it very much.
=========================
Have you got a touch of the Sun too?
How does *he* estimates the age of the petroglyphs at 3700 BCE?
*I* estimate them at 2645.68 BCE, so who's right and how shall
we prove it?

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Desertphile - 24 Nov 2008 04:25 GMT



>> Very interesting web site!
>> I enjoyed it very much.

Thank you.

> Have you got a touch of the Sun too?
> How does *he* estimates the age of the petroglyphs at 3700 BCE?
> *I* estimate them at 2645.68 BCE, so who's right and how shall
> we prove it?

Er, many tribes in what is now Utah, Nevada, Arizona, and
California used charcol to highlight pictographs and petroglyphs,
and that charcol can still be detected.

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Androcles - 24 Nov 2008 11:19 GMT
>>> Very interesting web site!
>>> I enjoyed it very much.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> California used charcol to highlight pictographs and petroglyphs,
> and that charcol can still be detected.

Err, I still estimate them at 2645.68 BCE, so who's right and how shall
we prove it, illiterate fucktard?
Androcles - 23 Nov 2008 05:01 GMT
> Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
> one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> would love to see people actually educated in the subject make
> YouTube videos debunking "free energy" claims.

Very interesting web site!

I enjoyed it very much.

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BTW, I estimate this petroglyph to be Nov 6, 1928 AD.
 http://elmerfudd.us/dp/petro/rochester/art-9.jpg

Jim Black - 24 Nov 2008 05:02 GMT
> Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
> one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
> already exist.

sci.physics.research

> I have an interest in physics, and trying to pick
> the non-kook articles out of the much, much larger kook articles
> in this newsgroup takes a great deal of time.

Killfiles are the solution.  Kooks are persistent, and once you have a
large list of them that get filtered out, the task of maintaining the list
is easy.

I recommend using a newsreader that can filter out not only kooks, but also
replies to kooks.  At the moment, 40tude Dialog will do this for you if
you're using Windows, and I believe there are some other newsreaders that
will do it if you're running Linux, but I'd have to do a search.  Also,
Thunderbird and Seamonkey should have this feature in the near future, due
to the work of Joshua Cranmer ( see
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11054 )

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Jim Black - 24 Nov 2008 06:27 GMT
>> Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
>> one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> to the work of Joshua Cranmer ( see
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11054 )

Addendum:  The feature is present in the nightly build of Thunderbird at

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/latest-trunk/

if anyone else wants to try it out.  Next step for me is to figure out
how to import my killfile from Dialog.

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john231108 - 24 Nov 2008 06:51 GMT
On Nov 22, 12:45 pm, Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net>
wrote:
> Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
> one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
> "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDpFfT_izI8
gabydewilde - 24 Nov 2008 12:38 GMT
On Nov 22, 7:45 pm, Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net>
wrote:

> I make YouTube videos on the subject of "free energy,"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duZtNZZpNEc

hahahahahahaha
hanson - 24 Nov 2008 18:52 GMT
Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
I make YouTube videos on the subject of "free energy,"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duZtNZZpNEc

hahahahahahaha

hanson wrote:
.... ahahaha... Thanks for the link.  I like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoDpg3NKKGk
wherein he rails against (air) pollution like a mad man...
(1)  while sitting in front of an open wood fire creating pollution,
(2)  & preaching standard doom like all little green idiots do...

.. both acts arising from the obvious fact, him confessing:
"I, the Desertphile, am not a physicist, nor am I educated".

Thanks for the laughs... ahahahaha... ahahahanson
gabydewilde - 24 Nov 2008 21:05 GMT
> Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Thanks for the laughs... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Did you notice he is like the
overunity version of Dr. Schund?

At least 130% randament.

He should get a honorary
physics diploma for this?

I think the Einsteinians need him?

His material is at least 3 times
as convincing as "what the bleep".
hahahahahahaa

Anyway, now you see what the
free energy inventors have to
keep up with? HAHAHAHAHA

I see no way to refute his
arguments? aaahahaha

Or perhaps I do?

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=5D2EA02EABD01947

ohhhhhh ohhh? violate the law!

This is not allowed!!!

Send in the desert storm troupers!

hahahahahaha

This is also funny, he is against hydrogen cars also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz8rzgzJWbY

He makes a nice Hindenburg memorial statement.

Anyways, hear you go deserted trouper:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE

Moar factoids here:

http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/water-fueled-car/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/2

I expect a full report on my desk by 6 am. :-)

You know?

"Give me proof you read it you @$#$@ and you #@$@#% and you ^$%#%#

hahahahahahaha

______
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress
Desertphile - 26 Nov 2008 21:48 GMT
> Is there a talk.physics newsgroup? My NNTP server does not list
> one, though I would think a moderated physics newsgroup woulod
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> would love to see people actually educated in the subject make
> YouTube videos debunking "free energy" claims.

Yesterday I installed NewsProxy and I spent an hour loading the
killfile with the list of kooks here in sci.physics. Then I
retrieved new articles. Out of 466 articles, 60 of them got past
the twit filter. That's a high twit-to-sane-person ratio. Now the
newsgroup is readable.

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