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Christopher - 29 Jul 2011 04:27 GMT THE FUSION REVOLUTION - http://renewable.50webs.com/fusion.html - When the first human animal figured out how to make fire at will, life on earth changed forever. The fictional character Sherlock Holmes once said that "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Using that logic, I have come to the conclusion that fossil fuels will soon become obsolete, and human history will again be dramatically altered. A total switchover to fusion power will take decades, but basic economics tells us that fusion reactors will win in the marketplace over their more costly competitors. Imagine a clean new world where oil and coal are only used to make chemicals, and where every nation on earth has equal access to low cost energy. Scientist Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor promises to accomplish all of this and more. - What fuels the E-Cat? Rossi states that he uses micrometer grain sized nickel dust enriched to contain more of two useful isotopes, N-62 and N-64. The nickel is then processed to increase the number of surface tubercles (protrusions) to provide greater area for heat producing reactions with hydrogen gas under pressure. A secret catalyst is added to break apart the molecular hydrogen gas (H2) into atomic hydrogen (H1). Rossi states that the total cost of nickel processing plus the catalyst adds just 10% to the total cost of the fuel. Heat is applied to the pressurized nickel-hydrogen mixture to get the reaction started. The ordinary resistive style heating elements are quickly turned off as the low energy nuclear reactions (LENR) become self-sustaining. This energetic process drives the nuclei of hydrogen atoms into the heart of nickel, turning small amounts of nickel isotopes N-62 and N-64 into the copper isotopes CU-63 and CU-65. Every 6 months the fuel load is refreshed and the old metallic fuel is sold as valuable scrap metal. - Rossi says E-Cat technology can produce electricity at a cost of just one cent per kilowatt hour. Even if we skeptically triple that cost to 3 cents per kilowatt hour, the E-Cat is still a bargain. We currently pay at least 40 cents per kilowatt hour for intermittent electricity produced from solar panels, 15 cents per kilowatt hour for unpredictable wind power, and 8 cents per kilowatt hour for natural gas. Rossi states that one pound of nickel can unleash as much energy as burning 517,000 pounds of oil, which is approximately 1,590 barrels worth. Fortunately, the earth has enough easily mineable nickel to supply all of our energy needs for millions of years. - In 2007 Rossi asked Professor Sergio Focardi to help him test his E-Cat prototype and verify that it did not emit dangerous radiation. Conventional "hot" nuclear fusion using lasers to super-heat deuterium and tritium creates so much radiation that it would be impossible to shield in a small, portable device like the E-Cat. Through extensive testing the two scientists found no dangerous levels of radiation escaping from the E-Cat’s lead lined fusion chamber. No radioactive materials are used in the reactor's construction, and the temporary internal gamma ray radiation produced by pressure fusion stops when the reactor is turned off, leaving behind no residual radioactive elements and zero toxic waste. After four years of studying the E- Cat, Professor Sergio Focardi gleefully declared that "This is the greatest discovery in human history," and went on to say that "The results will be immense: clean energy at (almost) zero cost." - The men behind the most important invention of the 21st century - Andrea Rossi - Master of Science and Engineering from the Università Degli Studi Di Milan. His degree is also known as "Philosophy of Science and Engineering,"but it is a broad science and engineering degree, not a degree in classical philosophy. Andrea Rossi has been an accomplished engineer since age 22, starting and owning several energy related businesses. - Sergio Focardi - Professor Emeritus of Experimental Physics at the Università di Bologna and author of numerous books and scientific articles. Focardi has a history of researching nickel-hydrogen fusion even before teaming up with Andrea Rossi. - Christos Stremmenos - Former physics professor at the Università di Bologna and former Greek ambassador to Italy. Stremmenos has many social ties to the current Greek Government because of his history of valiant political opposition to the military dictatorship in Greece during in the 1960s. Stremmenos researched nickel-hydrogen fusion before meeting Andrea Rossi. - Sometime in the year 2010 Andrea Rossi contacted Dr. Joseph Levi, a physics professor at the University of Bologna associated with the Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics (INFN). After conducting preliminary tests in private, Levi set up an historic public demonstration on January 14, 2011, attended by 50 scientists from the University of Bologna and the INFN. The E-Cat produced 12.4 kilowatts of heat with an input of just 0.4 kilowatts, a gain of 31 times input power. In a third test conducted by Levi, the E-Cat produced a minimum of 15 kilowatts of heat continuously for 18 hours. Levi stated that "Now that I have seen the device work for so many hours, in my view all chemical energy sources are excluded.” On occasion, E-Cats have been powered up to produce over 130 kilowatts of heat, but Rossi wants to sell his first generation E-Cats in a powered down configuration to make sure they are completely safe. - On March 29th, 2011, two Swedish scientists participated in a test of Rossi's new mini E-Cat which produced over 4.4 kilowatts of heat from a volume of only 50 cubic centimeters (3.05 cubic inches), just one twentieth the size of the original one liter E-Cat prototype. Hanno Essén is an associate professor of theoretical physics at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology, and ironically a former chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society. Essén stated that "In some way a new kind of physics is taking place. It’s enigmatic, but probably no new laws of nature are involved. We believe it is possible to explain the process with known laws of nature.” He went on to say that "We checked everything that could be checked, and we could walk around freely and have a look at most of the equipment." - Sven Kullander, a Professor at Uppsala University and chairman of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences’ Energy Committee, also participated in the test. Kullander stated that "My belief that there is an energy development far beyond what one would expect has been strengthened significantly as I have had the opportunity to see the process for myself and perform measurements." Their group report stated that "Any chemical process for producing 25 kWh from any fuel in a 50 cm3 container can be ruled out. The only alternative explanation is that there is some kind of a nuclear process that gives rise to the measured energy production." - Sherlock Holmes would ask what are the odds that Rossi, Focardi, Levi, Essén, Kullander, Christos Stremmenos, and a dozen other top scientists could all go insane at the same time, deciding to throw away their reputations, careers, and scientific legacies by endorsing a fraudulent energy scheme. How could a public test closely observed by 50 scientists be faked? The E-Cat produced so much energy that if the power had come from the wall socket, the power cord would have melted. No tiny hidden battery could have possibly unleashed so much energy, and the small amount of hydrogen gas consumed during the reactor test was independently measured at less than 1 gram, thus simple combustion is ruled out as an energy source. Overall hydrogen consumption for the E-Cat is estimated at 0.01 grams of hydrogen to produce 10 kilowatt hours of heat. The only reasonable explanation for the excess energy produced is some form of low energy nuclear reaction (LENR). Thus, no matter how improbable it is that Rossi and others have discovered a new field of physics, it must be true according to the practical logic of Sherlock Holmes. - Unlike the notoriously flawed "cold fusion" experiments using deuterium and palladium conducted by Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann in 1989, Rossi’s invention is decidedly "hot" in that the reactor yields generous amounts of reliable heat. The reaction is so powerful that even a first year engineering student could easily measure the E-Cat’s healthy net energy gain. We therefore know with certainty that the E-Cat’s energy is real and not an illusion created by measuring error, a possibility that haunted the work of Pons and Fleischmann. Current production line E-Cats require no energy input after the nuclear reactions have been initiated, so there is no longer any question of incorrectly measuring energy input vs. energy output, a topic that has been hotly debated by skeptics. - Rossi’s initial scientific paper on the E-Cat was rejected by established journals because even Rossi himself could not come up with a sufficiently detailed explanation of how the E-Cat works. Building an E-Cat is easier than explaining what happens inside the E-Cat’s reactor core. Andrea Rossi's explanation below has been edited for clarity, and is from a recent EV World interview. - "To make it simple, what happens is that nickel has a particularity that protons spread from it's surface with extreme efficiency very close to the nucleus, even if repelled by the so called coulomb barrier forces. When we inject protons of hydrogen at high pressures and temperatures, they go pretty close to the nucleus of the nickel. At those points we have nuclear effects that produce gamma rays which add more energy. We increase the pressure leading to extremely high pressures... similar to ones that happen inside White Dwarf stars. In that situation the so called Gamow Factor, which is a probabilistic calculation of the coulomb repelling forces, is overcome. At that point enough energy is produced to make it worth being recorded." - Andrea Rossi - Professor Christos Stremmenos has submitted his ideas on how the E-Cat functions here [ http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=497 ], and Purdue University Professor Yeong E. Kim's paper on how Bose- Einstein theory may explain the E-Cat phenomena can be found here [http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/faculty/yekim/BECNF-Ni- Hydrogen.pdf ]. Remember that scientists and engineers do not invent the laws of nature and can only attempt to explain the functions of nature within the limitations of our own mortal human abilities. Andrea Rossi himself has paid the University of Bologna to test the E- Cat and come up with their own theories on how it works in a year long study program to begin in November of 2011. - Much experimentation will be needed before the full potential of E-Cat technology is realized, and as always the original inventor’s work will be greatly improved upon by other scientists from around the world. As pressure fusion is a completely new, inherently nontoxic technology, there are no regulatory barriers to slow its rapid technological advance. The growth of E-Cat use may thus be as exponential in progression as the use of personal computers in the 1990s. E-Cats may end up being sold by large chain stores and familiar online retailers. No precious metals are used in the low cost, easy to manufacture E-Cats, and any company with the technological skills required to build an air conditioner can produce them in large numbers on assembly lines. That means even poor, relatively undeveloped countries will be able to manufacture them. - Finding safe ways to scale up E-Cat technology to the giant gigawatt size needed to replace major fossil fuel and fission nuclear power plants will take a few years of research by big corporations. Rossi plans to install a one megawatt, American made E-Cat power station in a factory in Greece in October, 2011. If E-Cats turn out to be as economical as expected, they will eventually be used to power cars, trucks, trains, ships, aircraft, and spacecraft. Imagine a luxury sedan you could drive for thousands of miles without refueling, or a small aircraft you could fly from New York to Beijing nonstop at low cost. - A Greek company named Defkalion Green Technologies, led by Greek scientist Professor Christos Stremmenos, will manufacture E-Cats for the European and Asian markets. The Government of Greece itself tested the E-Cat for 10 days in July, 2011, and their report will be published soon. The American based company, Ampenergo, will handle sales and technology licensing contracts in North and South America. Andrea Rossi has already had private meetings with officials from NASA who are interested in using E-Cat technology to build LENR powered rockets. - To most of the world the E-Cat is a mysterious unknown. To the growing number of scientists and engineers on two continents who have been working on this new form of low energy nuclear reaction (LENR), the E-Cat is as proven, reliable, and believable as a Honda Civic. As we replace fossil fuels with energy from nickel-hydrogen fusion, global greenhouse gas emissions will be dramatically reduced. There will be no risk of radioactive pollution because E-Cats contain no radioactive or fissile materials. Fusion power will put an end to biofuels and all the environmental damage and food price hyperinflation they create. E-Cats will raise our standard of living by lowering the cost of food, shelter, clothing, consumer goods, transportation…everything. - Christopher Calder - THE FUSION REVOLUTION - http://renewable.50webs.com/fusion.html - THE RENEWABLE ENERGY DISASTER - http://renewable.50webs.com/
AGWFacts - 29 Jul 2011 05:33 GMT > Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor > promises to accomplish all of this and more. No it does not: it's a pile of buillshit--- a scam, a fraud, a con. Rossi is a criminal out to rob stupid, ignorant, gullible fucktards who don't know basic physics. He also claims one of the Christian gods talks to him.
Surfer - 29 Jul 2011 07:11 GMT >> Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor >> promises to accomplish all of this and more. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >fucktards who don't know basic physics. He also claims one of the >Christian gods talks to him. There is some independent support for Rossi:
Eg There is a discussion here between Ny Teknik and Professor Emeritus at Uppsala University Sven Kullander, chairman of the National Academy of Sciences Energy Committee, and Hanno Essén, associate professor of theoretical physics and a lecturer at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology and chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society
Cold Fusion: You have to embrace this http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3111124.ece
And there is a US paper here on possible physics that may be involved.
Generalized Theory of Bose-Einstein Condensation Nuclear Fusion for Hydrogen-Metal System Yeong E. Kim, Department of Physics, Purdue University http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KimYEgeneralize.pdf
Abstract: Generalized theory of Bose-Einstein condensation nuclear fusion (BECNF) is used to carry out theoretical analyses of recent experimental results of Rossi et al. for hydrogen-nickel system.
Based on incomplete experimental information currently available, preliminary theoretical explanations of the experimental results are presented in terms of the generalized BECNF theory.
Additional accurate experimental data are needed for obtaining more complete theoretical descriptions and predictions, which can be tested by further experiments.
For reference, here is a paper by Rossi and Focadi: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3080659.ece/BINARY/Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf
Giga2" <"Giga2 - 29 Jul 2011 10:45 GMT >>> Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor >>> promises to accomplish all of this and more. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > For reference, here is a paper by Rossi and Focadi: > http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3080659.ece/BINARY/Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf Didn't realise there had been a second longer 'test' here:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3108242.ece
Giga2" <"Giga2 - 29 Jul 2011 10:46 GMT >>> Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor >>> promises to accomplish all of this and more. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > For reference, here is a paper by Rossi and Focadi: > http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3080659.ece/BINARY/Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf This is a concern perhaps: "Focardi, who has been working with Rossi during the development of the energy catalyzer, is Emeritus Professor at the University of Bologna, while Levi will now be responsible for researching the energy catalyzer at the Physics Department of Bologna University, commissioned by Rossi, who pays 500,000 Euro according to an agreement between his company Leonardo Corporation and the university."
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3144827.ece
AGWFacts - 29 Jul 2011 15:47 GMT > >> Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor > >> promises to accomplish all of this and more.
> >No it does not: it's a pile of buillshit--- a scam, a fraud, a > >con. Rossi is a criminal out to rob stupid, ignorant, gullible > >fucktards who don't know basic physics. He also claims one of the > >Christian gods talks to him.
> There is some independent support for Rossi: No, there is not. Using catalysts for cold fusion is an endothermic reaction: it uses more energy than it produces, always, every time, forever, without exception.
> Eg There is a discussion here between Ny Teknik and Professor Emeritus > at Uppsala University Sven Kullander, chairman of the National Academy [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Cold Fusion: You have to embrace this > http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3111124.ece Endoergic: no hope there. And a kook web site is always a kook web site.
> And there is a US paper here on possible physics that may be involved. > > Generalized Theory of Bose-Einstein Condensation Nuclear Fusion for > Hydrogen-Metal System > Yeong E. Kim, Department of Physics, Purdue University > http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KimYEgeneralize.pdf Also endoergic.
> Abstract: Generalized theory of Bose-Einstein condensation nuclear > fusion (BECNF) is used to carry out theoretical analyses of recent > experimental results of Rossi et al. for hydrogen-nickel system. Endothermic, and not published in any science journal, nor subjected to peer review.
> Based on incomplete experimental information currently available, > preliminary theoretical explanations of the experimental results are > presented in terms of the generalized BECNF theory. Not published in any science journal, nor subjected to peer review.
> Additional accurate experimental data are needed for obtaining more > complete theoretical descriptions and predictions, which can be tested > by further experiments. Then he should stop robbing people until he demonstrates his claims are true.
> For reference, here is a paper by Rossi and Focadi: > http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3080659.ece/BINARY/Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf Not published in any science journal, nor subjected to peer review.
Surfer - 30 Jul 2011 07:19 GMT >> >> Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor >> >> promises to accomplish all of this and more. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >No, there is not. Yes there is. I gave links to prove it:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3111124.ece http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KimYEgeneralize.pdf
>Using catalysts for cold fusion is an >endothermic reaction: it uses more energy than it produces, >always, every time, forever, without exception. Only if fusion failed to occur.
That was probably the case for many experiments, but to say that must remain the case "always, every time, forever, without exception" is religion not science.
Here are some figures for a reaction involving Ni58 which is the most abundant isotope of nickel:
Ni58 + proton -> Cu59+ -> Ni59 + beta+
I found,
Proton 1.00727646677. Ni58 57.9353429
Total Input Mass = 58.9426
Ni59 58.9343467 beta+ 5.4857990943*10^(-4)
Total Output Mass = 58.9349
So the above reaction results in a loss of mass, and hence would be exothermic.
Incidentally Cu59 has a mass of 58.9394980. This is also less than the total input mass. But Cu59 has a half life of about 81 seconds, so would fairly quickly decay to Ni59.
1treePetrifiedForestLane - 02 Aug 2011 18:18 GMT thanks; AGW****s seems to be content to "not be a peer;" the whole idea of catalysis of any process is not refuted by mere wordage.
> So the above reaction results in a loss of mass, and hence would be > exothermic. thus: dear Editor; I've been to a few Urban Forest Task Force meetings, but the main thing that is not addressed is the policy of replacing trees, which amounts to *desertification*, with large, fast-growing trees replaced with small, slow-growing ones, probably mainly to lessen the amount of pruning -- it is a problem!
Another aspect of this is the clearing of trees for the sake of photovoltaics, even though the main objective should amount to just one tree being severely pruned, to get the max mid-day solar energy. As it is, almost all of the PVs being installed are "urban heat is landing," because they are so dark & are not also used to heat water -- another hard problem.
I would like to suggest a moratorium on removing trees, especially since the fiascos of the ficuses downtown, the 198 carobs north of Wilshire, and the ficuses on the Pico median. Because, whether or not you believe in "global" warming, there is certainly a ton of climate a- changing!
$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto - 29 Jul 2011 14:22 GMT > On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:27:36 -0700 (PDT), Christopher > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > fucktards who don't know basic physics. He also claims one of the > Christian gods talks to him. In this case, I agree with the global warmer. Fusion is an area rife with scoundrels and scam-artists. Thorium reactors and more conventional nuclear reactors are what is needed.
JohnM - 29 Jul 2011 15:14 GMT On Jul 29, 3:22 pm, "$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:27:36 -0700 (PDT), Christopher > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > with scoundrels and scam-artists. Thorium reactors and more > conventional nuclear reactors are what is needed. Why do we need reactors at all? You have continually pointed out there is no problem with continuing to use an almost inexhaustible supply of carbon-based fossil fuels, as their use has zero affect on the environment.
AGWFacts - 29 Jul 2011 15:48 GMT > On Jul 29, 3:22 pm, "$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto" > <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > with scoundrels and scam-artists. Thorium reactors and more > > conventional nuclear reactors are what is needed.
> Why do we need reactors at all? You have continually pointed out there > is no problem with continuing to use an almost inexhaustible supply of > carbon-based fossil fuels, as their use has zero affect on the > environment. Idiot.
jim - 05 Aug 2011 17:57 GMT > On Jul 29, 3:22 pm, "$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto" > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > carbon-based fossil fuels, as their use has zero affect on the > environment. You don't. The navy needs reactors, since modern navies build nuclear submarines, rather than more ports for the ignorant rafters. Just like engineers build modern stealth equipment and lasers, rather than more obsolete sonar for the navy.
AGWFacts - 29 Jul 2011 15:47 GMT > > On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:27:36 -0700 (PDT), Christopher > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > fucktards who don't know basic physics. He also claims one of the > > Christian gods talks to him.
> In this case, I agree with the global warmer. You agree with CO2? WTF?! Nutter.
> Fusion is an area rife with scoundrels and scam-artists. Thorium reactors > and more conventional nuclear reactors are what is needed. Christopher - 30 Jul 2011 04:08 GMT There have been many cold fusion researchers but the problem is they achieved results that were economically worthless. Rossi took a few watts of useless power output to many kilowatts of very economically viable power output. That is the difference. Pons and Flieshman only achieved in bringing to light very small LOW ENERGY NUCLEAR REACTIONS (LENR). Rossi got the idea from P&F and figured out a much better way of doing it with low cost nickel dust and hydrogen gas instead of deuterium and costly palladium. - One of the major movers behind the E-Cat is Professor Christos Stremmenos, a former University of Bologna physics professor and former Greek ambassador to Italy. He has a long history of being a heroic socialist who fought the Greek military dictatorship of the 1960s. The idea that he would get involved in a money making scam that would be exposed as soon as the first product is sold is simply beyond belief. Can you imagine Ralph Nader busted for selling poison baby food to children? Not likely! - The E-Cat has passed at least 20 independent tests by physics PhD testers. The test is about as difficult as testing a hand grenade. Either it works or it does not work. This is real, and you can see the pictures I have added to my web page of the three very brilliant scientists behind this greatest invention of the 21st century. - You will eventually be able to buy from Sears or Amazon.Com a home generator that you can put in your basement or back yard that will produce electricity for half the cost, or even less, of what you are currently paying your local utility company. Your E-Cat generator will feed its excess electricity back to the grid. Cars will be fusion powered and use only tiny amounts of nickel and hydrogen gas as fuel and will require refueling once every 6 months or a year. - SEE: http://renewable.50webs.com/fusion.html
AGWFacts - 30 Jul 2011 04:27 GMT > There have been many cold fusion researchers but the problem is they > achieved results that were economically worthless. Idiot.
> Rossi took a few > watts of useless power output to many kilowatts of very economically > viable power output. Idiot. The facts remain: it's a scam--- a fraud; an attempt to rob stupid ignorant uneducated sh.ts like you who don't know any better. Cold fusion via catalyst always takes more energy than it produces, without exception.
Surfer - 30 Jul 2011 07:25 GMT > Cold fusion via catalyst always takes more energy than it >produces, without exception. That is not what the science says.
AGWFacts - 30 Jul 2011 20:46 GMT > > > There have been many cold fusion researchers but the problem is they > > > achieved results that were economically worthless. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > better. Cold fusion via catalyst always takes more energy than it > > produces, without exception.
> That is not what the science says. It is exactly what scientists and the laws of pysics says. Deuterium into helium-4 (for example) means aloss of energy, always. The same is true for powdered nickle, lithium, tritium, thorium, and all other proposed catalytic agents; they all waste more energy than they produce. Unfortunately. Anyone who claims to have discovered a exothermic process is either lying or mistaken.
John - 29 Jul 2011 14:49 GMT >> Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor >> promises to accomplish all of this and more. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > fucktards who don't know basic physics. He also claims one of the > Christian gods talks to him. One of the Christian Gods? Are there more than one?
AGWFacts - 29 Jul 2011 15:48 GMT > >> Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor > >> promises to accomplish all of this and more. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > fucktards who don't know basic physics. He also claims one of the > > Christian gods talks to him.
> One of the Christian Gods? Are there more than one? Huh? Obviously.
Monkey Clumps - 31 Jul 2011 15:52 GMT > On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:27:36 -0700 (PDT), Christopher > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > con. Rossi is a criminal out to rob stupid, ignorant, gullible > fucktards who don't know basic physics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8eIhth8Iw8
So is Brian Josephson, nobel laureate in physics, a gullible fucktard who doesn't understand basic physics?
>He also claims one of the > Christian gods talks to him. I don't care if Elvis talks to him. He claims he will have a 1 MW system operational in October. I am holding out slim hope that it might just work. This is the sort of technological breakthrough that is needed to really get off fossil fuels. Solar panels and windmills just aren't going to cut it.
Giga2" <"Giga2 - 31 Jul 2011 22:55 GMT On Jul 29, 12:33 am, AGWFacts <AGWFa...@ipcc.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:27:36 -0700 (PDT), Christopher > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > con. Rossi is a criminal out to rob stupid, ignorant, gullible > fucktards who don't know basic physics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8eIhth8Iw8
So is Brian Josephson, nobel laureate in physics, a gullible fucktard who doesn't understand basic physics?
=Very interesting video.
>He also claims one of the > Christian gods talks to him. I don't care if Elvis talks to him. He claims he will have a 1 MW system operational in October. I am holding out slim hope that it might just work. This is the sort of technological breakthrough that is needed to really get off fossil fuels. Solar panels and windmills just aren't going to cut it.
Greg Sandoval - 29 Jul 2011 07:31 GMT > THE FUSION REVOLUTION [irrelevant politics groups dropped]
> ... This energetic process drives the > nuclei of hydrogen atoms into the heart of nickel, turning small > amounts of nickel isotopes N-62 and N-64 into the copper isotopes > CU-63 and CU-65. Aren't those nickel isotopes on the wrong side of the peak of the binding energy per nucleon curve to generate energy via fusion?
Surfer - 29 Jul 2011 07:50 GMT >> THE FUSION REVOLUTION > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Aren't those nickel isotopes on the wrong side of the peak of the >binding energy per nucleon curve to generate energy via fusion? No. I calculated a loss of mass when the copper isotopes are formed.
Also there is a suggestion here about how the hydrogen protons might get through the Coulomb barrier.
Generalized Theory of Bose-Einstein Condensation Nuclear Fusion for Hydrogen-Metal System Yeong E. Kim, Department of Physics, Purdue University http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KimYEgeneralize.pdf
".....If the velocities of mobile Ni atoms/nuclei under the condition (1) are sufficiently slow, their de-Broglie wavelengths become sufficiently large and may overlap with neighboring two-proton composite Bosons which are also mobile, thus creating Bose-Einstein condensation of two species of Bosons. The generalized BECNF theory can now be applied to these two-species of Bosons and provides a mechanism for the suppression/cancellation of the Coulomb barrier, as shown in [4]...."
Sevenhundred Elves - 29 Jul 2011 18:56 GMT > >> THE FUSION REVOLUTION > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No. I calculated a loss of mass when the copper isotopes are formed. Where did you get your numbers for the mass of the isotopes? (If that's what you used for your calculation.) I can't find anything in my (rather old) Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, so I'd be much obliged if you'd direct me to a reliable source on the Internet, if there is one.
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Surfer - 30 Jul 2011 07:36 GMT >> >> THE FUSION REVOLUTION >> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >old) Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, so I'd be much obliged if you'd >direct me to a reliable source on the Internet, if there is one. For nickel there is table with isotopic masses near the bottom of this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_nickel
This page has equivalent numbers for copper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_copper
You can probably find alternative webpages if you use a search engine (eg Google) to search for "isotopes of nickel" etc.
7 - 30 Jul 2011 10:09 GMT > THE FUSION REVOLUTION > - [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Using that > logic, I have come to the conclusion that fossil fuels will soon These flakes were going to sell their machines in April. Now its August.
Has anyone bought one?
AGWFacts - 30 Jul 2011 20:48 GMT > > http://renewable.50webs.com/fusion.html
> These flakes were going to sell their machines in April. > Now its August. Has anyone bought one? The same is true of most "free energy" scams. Lutec is a fine example. Steorn is another fine example---- one can "invest" in the scam, but no such device exists.
Claudius Denk - 31 Jul 2011 06:13 GMT > THE FUSION REVOLUTION > -http://renewable.50webs.com/fusion.html I'm confused by this post. If you actually have a way to safely and cheaply produce large amounts of energy from fusion then why aren't you out looking for investors and applying for patents? Why bother to post here?
AGWFacts - 31 Jul 2011 18:55 GMT > > THE FUSION REVOLUTION > > -http://50webs.com/fusion.html
> I'm confused by this post. If you actually have a way to safely and > cheaply produce large amounts of energy from fusion then why aren't > you out looking for investors and applying for patents? Why bother to > post here? Investors would not be necessary: every bank in the world would rush to provide a loan.
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