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GOD=G_uv  A CHRISTMAS MESSAGE

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George Hammond - 27 Dec 2004 11:45 GMT
GOD=G_uv  A CHRISTMAS MESSAGE

2,004 years ago Jesus announced a revolutionary
social theory:

       That Man is by nature cooperative,
       not competitive, and that this is true
       because there actually is a real "God".

Prior to Calvary, no one was really sure about this.

In fact, even today people are still unsure about it simply
because a "scientific proof of God" has never been found.

  This Christmas then, marks a MILESTONE in Christianity,
because finally modern science has discovered that:

                 God = G_uv

A hard science proof of God has finally been discovered.

  Today, the preacher in the pulpit knows little more about "God"
than he did 2,000 years ago.  Preachers believe, and Christians are
taught, that "God" is a mysterious invisible force that manifests
itself in the form of an "invisible man" and that this invisible
man guides and rules the fate and destiny of the world.
No scientific explanation of this "force" or this "invisible man"
(called 'god the Father') has ever been found in the entire 2,004
year history of Christianity.

  Now,  in 2003, Hammond has discovered and published the world's
first scientific explanation and PROOF that this "invisible force"
and "invisible man" ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY EXISTS, and
has a remarkably simple SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION!
In fact that:  God=G_uv.
 Not only that, the physical phenomena which has been discovered
(and experimentally proven) provides a complete scientific
explanation and proof of the factual truth of every claim ever made by
Christianity in it's entire 2,004 year existence, including the entire
Bible... including all of the following:

0.  God exists.
1.  God is (scientifically) an "invisible man".
2.  In the language of Physics, God is caused by
    Gravity:  Even though it still remains true in
    Psychology/Theology terminology, that God
    "created Gravity".
2.  God is all powerful.
3.  God (effectively) "created the world" (40k years ago).
4.  There is Eternal Life.
5.  There is a Heaven.
6.  There are miracles that transcend
     (current) physical law.
7.  There is a "Kingdom Come".
8.  There is "Intelligent Design" in Evolution.
9.   The 'Trinity' is scientifically accurate.
10.  The Cross is not an 'arbitrary symbol' but
      actually represents the Cartesian  metrical
      geometry of both real space and psychological
      space.
11.  The list goes on....

ALL OF THIS is simply and elegantly PROVED by the
following simple discovery:

   FIRST.... it was recognized over 3,000 years ago
that no man on Earth is "fully grown"... and that this means
that no man's brain is fully grown.  It was recognized by
high authorities that this causes "mental blindness" and
"fear of the unknown and unseen" in most people.  So
universal and common is this effect, that it is called "God"...
i.e. the mythical "fully grown man" (of which there are none)
obtained the name "God".... this "invisible man" was named
"God".  Meanwhile of course, the most fully grown specimens
of men in the population were elected to leadership positions
simply on this basis.... of being the "closest to God" as it were.
  Since without a simple scientific explanation and proof of
this phenomena it takes an enormous amount of human
experience to discover it... and since Science was no where
near developed enough to PROVE all this... it remained
what is called a "religious mystery" and generally speaking
the huge uneducated masses remained virtually ignorant
of this natural phenomena... only the "priests" and rulers
were actually aware of it.  Because of this lack of proof,
the language of religion was forced into highly PARABOLIC
and METAPHORICAL descriptions of "God"... hence
the PARABLES of Jesus for instance.  This situation has
remained unchanged down to the present day.

  However, our advanced high technology age, along with
Nuclear Arms, T.V., the Internet, Jet planes, the global
economy, et cetera... it is NO LONGER FEASIBLE to
operate with a mysterious, parabolic theory of one of the
the most fundamental, if not THE most fundamental theories
of Life, Society, Government and human Destiny.
  Fortunately for us,  the brute strength and power of modern
Science has finally, albeit accidentally, finally uncovered the
world's first literal hard science explanation and proof of "God".
Some I'm sure will remark that it is just in the nick of time!
Others, of course, will remain incredulous with wide eyed
disbelief until the entire world finally concludes that YES,
the proof of God has finally been found.

  It turns out that Science discovered the "Secular Trend in
Human Growth" about 75 years ago, and it is now known that
this phenomena has been going on since the beginning of our
species 40,000 years ago and is still continuing at full speed
today.  For instance school children are 3.5 inches taller on
average today than they were in 1900.  World IQ is growing
at as much as 3 points per decade, due mainly to the increase
in brain growth due to the increasing world Standard of Living.

So... it is the "increase in braingrowth" that is decreasing "world
mental blindness" and this explains how "God is descending from
Heaven to Earth" as the Theologians put it.  And so we see, that
the "priestly knowledge" of the ancient Religious fathers has
finally been discovered by modern Science.  But that isn't all!
  We know something about how braingrowth affects mental
vision.. simply because many of us are still children... i.e.
"ungrown people".  We know for instance that the World looks
much bigger and much faster to a 5 year old than it does to
an adult.  Therefore, we have a "model" of what a significant
"growth deficit" will do to an adult mentally, that is perceptually.
The world will look LARGER and FASTER to a less than
fully grown adult than it will to a full grown adult.  Of course
the Secular Trend says there is IS NO SUCH THING as
a fully grown adult... therefore, the world looks LARGER
and FASTER to every single person on Earth than it actually
is!  This is what explains the phenomena of "God".
  the breakthrough came when Hammond discovered that this
SIZE and SPEED dilation is actually described by an
"Einsteinian Curvature" of "seen reality", hence the origin of
the equation:

                   God=G_uv

This equation is actually EXPERIMENTALLY PROVED
using modern Psychometry Data and comparing it to
"Linearized Gravity".... with the CAUSAL LINK
provided by the Cartesian cleavage of the brain which is
caused by the (Euclidean) metric of space.  Since this
curvature in perceptual (subjectively seen) space is caused
by a classical curvature in real space... and the perceptual
curvature explains God... we say (in the language of Physics)
that "Gravity causes God".  It turns out that this classical
gravitational curvature is actually caused by (Penrose's)
Quantum Brain Gravity which is controlling (curved) brain
growth.
 At any rate, to a competent scientist (if we could find one)
the discovery is simple, obvious, and compelling... and we
MAY BE SURE that eventually it will be recognized as
such.

  In the meantime, to those knowledgeable in Religion and
the Bible, you may rejoice now, and look back over the tortuous
2,000 year history of Christianity and he astronomical human
effort involved in its discovery and formulation, and MARVEL
at the accomplishment of its authors and authorities.  The brilliance
and beauty of the King James Bible for instance is a literary
masterpiece that will never be equaled again in the history of
the world.  The human drama, the triumph of courage and stamina
and sheer superhuman effort recorded there can be an inspiration
that will prop up the human race for thousands of years...
especially now that it has been rigorously SCIENTIFICALLY
PROVEN to be true.
  Let us rejoice therefore this Christmas, that the World has truly
been "spiritually saved" finally, in yet again another great miracle
of Christianity, in the year 2004 AD.
  George Hammond, Hyannis
====================================
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George Hammond Organ Donor - 27 Dec 2004 12:20 GMT
Jingle bells jingle bells, jingle all the way...

blah and  dna halb.

> GOD=G_uv  A CHRISTMAS MESSAGE
>
> I have made all of this up and am now retiring. Much basket weaving will ensue.
>
>    George Hammond, Hyannis
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>
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GOD=G_uv  A CHRISTMAS MESSAGE

2,004 years ago Jesus announced a revolutionary
social theory:

       That Man is by nature cooperative,
       not competitive, and that this is true
       because there actually is a real "God".

Prior to Calvary, no one was really sure about this.

In fact, even today people are still unsure about it simply
because a "scientific proof of God" has never been found.

  This Christmas then, marks a MILESTONE in Christianity,
because finally modern science has discovered that:

                 God = G_uv

A hard science proof of God has finally been discovered.

  Today, the preacher in the pulpit knows little more about "God"
than he did 2,000 years ago.  Preachers believe, and Christians are
taught, that "God" is a mysterious invisible force that manifests
itself in the form of an "invisible man" and that this invisible
man guides and rules the fate and destiny of the world.
No scientific explanation of this "force" or this "invisible man"
(called 'god the Father') has ever been found in the entire 2,004
year history of Christianity.

  Now,  in 2003, Hammond has discovered and published the world's
first scientific explanation and PROOF that this "invisible force"
and "invisible man" ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY EXISTS, and
has a remarkably simple SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION!
In fact that:  God=G_uv.
 Not only that, the physical phenomena which has been discovered
(and experimentally proven) provides a complete scientific
explanation and proof of the factual truth of every claim ever made by
Christianity in it's entire 2,004 year existence, including the entire
Bible... including all of the following:

0.  God exists.
1.  God is (scientifically) an "invisible man".
2.  In the language of Physics, God is caused by
    Gravity:  Even though it still remains true in
    Psychology/Theology terminology, that God
    "created Gravity".
2.  God is all powerful.
3.  God (effectively) "created the world" (40k years ago).
4.  There is Eternal Life.
5.  There is a Heaven.
6.  There are miracles that transcend
     (current) physical law.
7.  There is a "Kingdom Come".
8.  There is "Intelligent Design" in Evolution.
9.   The 'Trinity' is scientifically accurate.
10.  The Cross is not an 'arbitrary symbol' but
      actually represents the Cartesian  metrical
      geometry of both real space and psychological
      space.
11.  The list goes on....

ALL OF THIS is simply and elegantly PROVED by the
following simple discovery:

   FIRST.... it was recognized over 3,000 years ago
that no man on Earth is "fully grown"... and that this means
that no man's brain is fully grown.  It was recognized by
high authorities that this causes "mental blindness" and
"fear of the unknown and unseen" in most people.  So
universal and common is this effect, that it is called "God"...
i.e. the mythical "fully grown man" (of which there are none)
obtained the name "God".... this "invisible man" was named
"God".  Meanwhile of course, the most fully grown specimens
of men in the population were elected to leadership positions
simply on this basis.... of being the "closest to God" as it were.
  Since without a simple scientific explanation and proof of
this phenomena it takes an enormous amount of human
experience to discover it... and since Science was no where
near developed enough to PROVE all this... it remained
what is called a "religious mystery" and generally speaking
the huge uneducated masses remained virtually ignorant
of this natural phenomena... only the "priests" and rulers
were actually aware of it.  Because of this lack of proof,
the language of religion was forced into highly PARABOLIC
and METAPHORICAL descriptions of "God"... hence
the PARABLES of Jesus for instance.  This situation has
remained unchanged down to the present day.

  However, our advanced high technology age, along with
Nuclear Arms, T.V., the Internet, Jet planes, the global
economy, et cetera... it is NO LONGER FEASIBLE to
operate with a mysterious, parabolic theory of one of the
the most fundamental, if not THE most fundamental theories
of Life, Society, Government and human Destiny.
  Fortunately for us,  the brute strength and power of modern
Science has finally, albeit accidentally, finally uncovered the
world's first literal hard science explanation and proof of "God".
Some I'm sure will remark that it is just in the nick of time!
Others, of course, will remain incredulous with wide eyed
disbelief until the entire world finally concludes that YES,
the proof of God has finally been found.

  It turns out that Science discovered the "Secular Trend in
Human Growth" about 75 years ago, and it is now known that
this phenomena has been going on since the beginning of our
species 40,000 years ago and is still continuing at full speed
today.  For instance school children are 3.5 inches taller on
average today than they were in 1900.  World IQ is growing
at as much as 3 points per decade, due mainly to the increase
in brain growth due to the increasing world Standard of Living.

So... it is the "increase in braingrowth" that is decreasing "world
mental blindness" and this explains how "God is descending from
Heaven to Earth" as the Theologians put it.  And so we see, that
the "priestly knowledge" of the ancient Religious fathers has
finally been discovered by modern Science.  But that isn't all!
  We know something about how braingrowth affects mental
vision.. simply because many of us are still children... i.e.
"ungrown people".  We know for instance that the World looks
much bigger and much faster to a 5 year old than it does to
an adult.  Therefore, we have a "model" of what a significant
"growth deficit" will do to an adult mentally, that is perceptually.
The world will look LARGER and FASTER to a less than
fully grown adult than it will to a full grown adult.  Of course
the Secular Trend says there is IS NO SUCH THING as
a fully grown adult... therefore, the world looks LARGER
and FASTER to every single person on Earth than it actually
is!  This is what explains the phenomena of "God".
  the breakthrough came when Hammond discovered that this
SIZE and SPEED dilation is actually described by an
"Einsteinian Curvature" of "seen reality", hence the origin of
the equation:

                   God=G_uv

This equation is actually EXPERIMENTALLY PROVED
using modern Psychometry Data and comparing it to
"Linearized Gravity".... with the CAUSAL LINK
provided by the Cartesian cleavage of the brain which is
caused by the (Euclidean) metric of space.  Since this
curvature in perceptual (subjectively seen) space is caused
by a classical curvature in real space... and the perceptual
curvature explains God... we say (in the language of Physics)
that "Gravity causes God".  It turns out that this classical
gravitational curvature is actually caused by (Penrose's)
Quantum Brain Gravity which is controlling (curved) brain
growth.
 At any rate, to a competent scientist (if we could find one)
the discovery is simple, obvious, and compelling... and we
MAY BE SURE that eventually it will be recognized as
such.

  In the meantime, to those knowledgeable in Religion and
the Bible, you may rejoice now, and look back over the tortuous
2,000 year history of Christianity and he astronomical human
effort involved in its discovery and formulation, and MARVEL
at the accomplishment of its authors and authorities.  The brilliance
and beauty of the King James Bible for instance is a literary
masterpiece that will never be equaled again in the history of
the world.  The human drama, the triumph of courage and stamina
and sheer superhuman effort recorded there can be an inspiration
that will prop up the human race for thousands of years...
especially now that it has been rigorously SCIENTIFICALLY
PROVEN to be true.
  Let us rejoice therefore this Christmas, that the World has truly
been "spiritually saved" finally, in yet again another great miracle
of Christianity, in the year 2004 AD.
  George Hammond, Hyannis
====================================
  SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE

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bloodyvikings - 27 Dec 2004 13:14 GMT
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/index.php?song=The+George+Hammond+Conspiracy
The Hidden - 27 Dec 2004 13:33 GMT
I have to say, this "scientific study", if it can even be called that,  is
highly flawed, has already been rejected by the scientific community, has
virtually no decent empirical evidence and a heck of a lot of conjecture.

Science follows rules, if God is outside these rules as creator, then fair
enough, *puts on Vulcan ears*  but it is highly illogical to even suppose
this "creator" God can be measured and proved when by all standards and
faiths, he exists outside the fabric of space and time, in a universe he
"created".   That is not to say what I believe but the whole notion of, for
example, Christianity, is that God is not with man because of sin after the
fall.

Whatever floats your boat, but you really should check out more than one
scientists "discovery" before jumping to a conlusion that it is fact.

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George Hammond - 27 Dec 2004 16:36 GMT
> I have to say, this "scientific study", if it can even be called that,  is
> highly flawed, has already been rejected by the scientific community, has
> virtually no decent empirical evidence and a heck of a lot of conjecture.

[Hammond]
LOL  it has not been rejected by the scientific community...
In fact it has been unanamously recommended by the
10 academically qualified reviewers for the follwing 2 peer
reviewed journals where it has been PUBLISHED:

Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
 New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
 Pergamon Press.
Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Theory of God
 Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic Press)

Copies of both these papers are posted on my website.
If you'd even bothered to check my website before shooting off
you're mouth you'd know that.

> Science follows rules, if God is outside these rules as creator, then fair
> enough, *puts on Vulcan ears*  but it is highly illogical to even suppose
> this "creator" God can be measured and proved when by all standards and
> faiths, he exists outside the fabric of space and time, in a universe he
> "created".

[Hammond]
LOL.  the Catholic Church (the Pope himself) has said:

       "The Catholic church is not opposed to the
         search for a scientific proof of God... although
         we do not know what this would consist of
         or what person might discover such a thing"

Quit posting your imbecilic and erroneous low brow
presumptions on this thread.

>   That is not to say what I believe but the whole notion of, for
> example, Christianity, is that God is not with man because of sin after the
> fall.

[Hammond]
The scientific explanation and proof of God (God=G_uv)
expaoins all of that trivial crap hands down.

1.  Too bad you don't like it.
2.  Too bad you're wrong about it.
3.  Too bad for you proof your wrong has been found
     and published.
4.  That's the way the cookie crumbles.

[The Hidden]

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.tcaf si ti taht noisulnoc a ot gnipmuj erofeb "yrevocsid" stsitneics >

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Olrik - 28 Dec 2004 05:28 GMT
<snip>

> 0.  God exists.
> 1.  God is (scientifically) an "invisible man".
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> 2.  God is all powerful.
> 3.  God (effectively) "created the world" (40k years ago).

LOL! A zero-based list! The guy *must* be a scientist! And it has two
number 2! A scientist, *and* a genius!

<snip delusional nonsense>

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George Hammond - 28 Dec 2004 06:09 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> > 2.  God is all powerful.
> > 3.  God (effectively) "created the world" (40k years ago).

[Oiledrick]
owt sah ti dnA !tsitneics a eb *tsum* yug ehT !tsil desab-orez A !LOL >
!suineg a *dna* ,tsitneics A !2 rebmun >

>esnesnon lanoisuled pins< >

-- >
kirlO >
1891# aa >
rebmem HSAMS deifilauQ >
noisiviD nocaB ,rotcepsnI dooF feihC CAE >

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TMG - 28 Dec 2004 06:17 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> <snip delusional nonsense>

A 0 based array certainly isn't unheard of. It is interesting to note
that [Hammond] dismisses most of the computer sciences though.

The repeating "2"s just shows his sloppy attention to detail. His
thinking just isn't all that clear. "Science" really isn't Mr.
[Hammond]'s field.
George Hammond - 28 Dec 2004 06:23 GMT
> > <snip>
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> >> 2.  God is all powerful.
> >> 3.  God (effectively) "created the world" (40k years ago).

> > [Oildick]
owt sah ti dnA !tsitneics a eb *tsum* yug ehT !tsil desab-orez A !LOL > >
!suineg a *dna* ,tsitneics A !2 rebmun > >

>esnesnon lanoisuled pins< > >

[GMT]
eton ot gnitseretni si tI .fo draehnu t'nsi ylniatrec yarra desab 0 A >
.hguoht secneics retupmoc eht fo tsom sessimsid ]dnommaH[ taht >

siH .liated ot noitnetta yppols sih swohs tsuj s"2" gnitaeper ehT >
.rM t'nsi yllaer "ecneicS" .raelc taht lla t'nsi tsuj gnikniht >
.dleif s']dnommaH[ >

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TMG - 28 Dec 2004 06:30 GMT
>>><snip>
>>>
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>  .rM t'nsi yllaer "ecneicS" .raelc taht lla t'nsi tsuj gnikniht >
> .dleif s']dnommaH[ >

Yep - and it keeps going on.

Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net

They already have an on-going case open. Daily follow-ups since 12/10.

> EarthLink Abuse Department wrote:
> Hello,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> EarthLink Network Abuse
George Hammond - 28 Dec 2004 11:53 GMT
[Hammond]
You've been posting nonstop OFF TOPIC abuse and harassment
to my discussion threads for over a year.  You have also suggest
physical threats against me and have been stalking me both locally
and on the internet.  Now you're sending spurious complaints
about me.

I'm going to send a complaint to abuse@comcast.net about
your stalking and harassment internet activities and your
implied physical threats.
 I will also, if I deem it necessary, have my lawyer send a letter
of complaint to the personnel office at the local institution
where you are employed notifying them of your stalking activities
and peculiar internet harassment activities and about your suggesting
physical threats.
 As I have previously informed you I have already notified the
detective division of the BPD about your threats and stalking
activities as you are a local yocal who claims to "know me
on sight".
 I understand you are a family man... which makes
your activities de facto the actions of an irresponsible and
dangerous psycho.
 If you keep it up, your employer (whom I am well aquatinted
with from living here for more than 50 years) are going to
fire you and your family is going to wind up living on welfare
while you're recovering from your psychotic abuse tendencies
in a local mental hospital.
 Full headers on you are posted below identifying your ISP
as Comcast and your IP as 24.61.25.72.  It didn't take the police
5 minutes to identify you, and it will take Comcast even less than
that.
   I strongly suggest that you stop stalking Hammond around the
internet and take up another hobby or look for another mark,
unless you're looking for serious legal trouble.  I mean it.

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Martin - 28 Dec 2004 13:57 GMT
Wow, George. I thought you were a pretty harmless krank, but actually
you sound quite vicious and hateful (doesn't this fly in the face of
your invisible man's advice?)

I would have no hesitation in forwarding your messages as moronic spam
intent only in upsetting people on this ng. I would suggest to others
to take the same course of action.
Roy Schestowitz - 28 Dec 2004 17:27 GMT
> Wow, George. I thought you were a pretty harmless krank, but actually
> you sound quite vicious and hateful (doesn't this fly in the face of
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> intent only in upsetting people on this ng. I would suggest to others
> to take the same course of action.

Maybe he's very afraid of losing his beloved Internet connection that he
uses as an open door to attention.

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George Hammond - 29 Dec 2004 08:23 GMT
> Wow, George. I thought you were a pretty harmless krank, but actually
> you sound quite vicious and hateful (doesn't this fly in the face of
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> intent only in upsetting people on this ng. I would suggest to others
> to take the same course of action.

You are posting OFF TOPIC a violation of internet rules.
Barry OGrady - 29 Dec 2004 11:47 GMT
>> Wow, George. I thought you were a pretty harmless krank, but actually
>> you sound quite vicious and hateful (doesn't this fly in the face of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>You are posting OFF TOPIC a violation of internet rules.

You are posting OFF TOPIC a violation of internet rules.

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Rev. Karl E. Taylor - 29 Dec 2004 16:22 GMT
>>Wow, George. I thought you were a pretty harmless krank, but actually
>>you sound quite vicious and hateful (doesn't this fly in the face of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> You are posting OFF TOPIC a violation of internet rules.

And your failed attempt to prove a god in an atheism news group is what,
George?

Spam?
Trolling?
Off topic?
Noise?
A waste of band width?
All of the above?

Get bent George, no one is interested in your failed ideology.

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TMG - 29 Dec 2004 05:21 GMT
> [Hammond]

<snip>

My, that's certainly a measured, proportional, and reasoned response to
someone pointing out to your ISP the totally accurate fact that you
constantly post SPAM to s.p.r. As in, the exact same content over and
over within the same day - heck - within the same 10 minute period.

Every time you send out one of your recycled, previously ignored,
diatribes - you find it necessary to include s.p.r. in each
distribution. Sometimes it's 10 or 15 identical, unwanted posts. Then
the next repeated cookie-cutter. Then the childish reverse postings.
Then repeated day after day.

If you're not worried about what what the abuse department at earthlink
reads, I'm not sure what your issue is. If you are concerned, nobody is
to blame but you.

On the other hand, your threating someone's livelihood and family might
not be taken as lightly. You seem disposed to go at this "hammer and
tongs" in the real world, as it were. I wouldn't ever advise an USENET
thorn in *my* paw being taken that seriously.

Again - Best wishes on the Season. May you find peace and solace in the
coming year.
George Hammond - 29 Dec 2004 08:35 GMT
> > [Hammond]
>
> <snip>

> On the other hand, your threating someone's livelihood and family might
> not be taken as lightly. You seem disposed to go at this "hammer and
> tongs" in the real world, as it were. I wouldn't ever advise an USENET
> thorn in *my* paw being taken that seriously.

[Hammond]
 You are the one who is threating your livelihood by conducting your
psychotic "night job" (for several years now) of stalking and
harassing Hammond.  Everyone who knows you is just holding their
breath and saying a silent prayer against the day when you finally do
something bizzare and f.ck up the life of both you and your family..
... I'm sure this includes your employers.
 This bizzare behavour of yours has been pointed
out to you by others... for instance the poster on alt.config when you
stalked me over there and started posting your ad hominem attacks..
he asked you what you were doing there, why you were stalking Hammond
and suggested you were nuts... and he was right!
  Until now its been only words.... but now your are advertising for
the assistance of other "internet bangers" to assist you in sending
complaints.
That is a direct physical act of harassment that requires a legal response
from me... and believe me if you persist you'll be hearing about it.
  For chrissakes, if you're a PhD in Mathematics and have managed to secure
a reasonable job (which isn't always easy for mathematicians) I'd expect
that you'd think twice before involving yourself in anything as sleazy
as intenet stalking and harassment... why for chrissakes if your
collegues ever found out about it... or the personnell office ever received
a letter of complaint from my attorney (who is a former state representative
and well known to them) you can be sure they will be raising their
eyebrows about your mental condition.  In todays world with terrorism
and unbalanced nuts acting up everywhere... I'd reconsider your
behavior and try to run a lower profile... for chrissakes budget cuts
are everywhere and nuts like you would be the first target for
a cut....
  Personally, I like you "to a point"... but your mild psychotic overlay
has an obvious tendency to get out of hand.... and believe me....
everyone who knows you knows about it and all of us are keeping our
fingers crossed day and night that the strain on you doesn't get so
high that you'll crack and do something stupid and f.ck up your life,
career and everything else.... for chrissakes... knock off this
public internet harrassment of yours... you've got too much to lose.
And especially don't fall into the trap of stalking and attacking some
alter ego figure like Hammond.  For chrissakes Hammond is a total loser
(careerwise) and has consequently sacrificed his life to pure research,
and HAS DISCOVERED SOMETHING OF IMPORTANCE....
for God's sake don't come down on the wrong side of it professionally.
You can't sue a total loser and win!
 WISE UP for chrissakes... go find some outher outlet for your
aggressions.... take up bowling or something... and just thank your
lucky stars you're not in Hammond's position in life.
 Look... I'm not asking you to do something noble and courageous
like trying to help me.... I'm just asking you not to publicly commit
hari kari trying to persecute me... you should know by now that
that is the principle trap and snare for someone like you.

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Martin - 29 Dec 2004 10:41 GMT
>>> [Hammond]
>>
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> hari kari trying to persecute me... you should know by now that
> that is the principle trap and snare for someone like you.

I've forwarded an abuse e-mail charge to Earthlink, against you George.

Oh, and I refute your theories concerning God (just to keep this
on-topic for you).

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Roy Schestowitz - 29 Dec 2004 13:48 GMT
> I've forwarded an abuse e-mail charge to Earthlink, against you George.

You are not the only one who have.

Roy
TMG - 29 Dec 2004 23:35 GMT
>>>[Hammond]
>>
>><snip>

Mr. [Hammond] snipped a lot of verbiage here indicating I was simply
pointing out (to his ISP) his posting behavior. Actually, my email(s) to
them simply asked that they read sci.physics.relativity and draw their
own conclusions about their subscriber, and how his posts conform to
their policy.

>>On the other hand, your threating someone's livelihood and family might
>>not be taken as lightly. You seem disposed to go at this "hammer and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> psychotic "night job" (for several years now) of stalking and
> harassing Hammond.  

Are you Hammond?

> Everyone who knows you is just holding their
> breath and saying a silent prayer against the day when you finally do
> something bizzare and f.ck up the life of both you and your family..
> ... I'm sure this includes your employers.

I doubt you can name a real, living person that personally knows me.
This needs to be from *your* personal knowledge - no fair pulling
co-workers names off the website. It's also unfair to consult the dead -
ala your conversations with Dick Feynman. No quotes from Feynman after
1988 unless they prove I'm right.

>   This bizzare behavour of yours has been pointed
> out to you by others... for instance the poster on alt.config when you
> stalked me over there and started posting your ad hominem attacks..
> he asked you what you were doing there, why you were stalking Hammond
> and suggested you were nuts... and he was right!

Actually, the question was who was *more* crazy - [Hammond] or those
that keep trying to educate him.

>    Until now its been only words.... but now your are advertising for
> the assistance of other "internet bangers" to assist you in sending
> complaints.

I've made no such request. I informed [Hammond] of a fact. No assistance
in anything can be seen to the non-paranoid observer. If readers want to
barrage abuse@earthlink with comments about [Hammond], that's certainly
not my concern.

> That is a direct physical act of harassment that requires a legal response
> from me... and believe me if you persist you'll be hearing about it.

USENET is not physical - *AND* nobody I've seen has posted anything but
the truth. Certainly nothing of a real world threat.

>    For chrissakes, if you're a PhD in Mathematics and have managed to secure
> a reasonable job (which isn't always easy for mathematicians) I'd expect
> that you'd think twice before involving yourself in anything as sleazy
> as intenet stalking and harassment...

No stalking, and no harassment. You bristle at facts. You feel pummeled
by truth. You turn your rage at a messenger of truth. I correct pure,
factual errors and you fly off the handle. Most anything can make you
fly off the handle - but if you're going to whine about *facts*, you're
climbing out on a thin branch.

And I keep telling you Geophysics isn't just maths.

> why for chrissakes if your
> collegues ever found out about it...

What makes you think my colleagues aren't laughing at you along with the
rest of us?

> or the personnell office ever received
> a letter of complaint from my attorney (who is a former state representative
> and well known to them) you can be sure they will be raising their
> eyebrows about your mental condition.  In todays world with terrorism
> and unbalanced nuts acting up everywhere...

Ummm - *my* picture isn't up in the guardhouse at the front gate. Can
you guess who's is?

> I'd reconsider your
> behavior and try to run a lower profile... for chrissakes budget cuts
> are everywhere and nuts like you would be the first target for
> a cut....

Unlikely - I generate far more spendable cash than I consume. You might
misunderstand the environment. A charming demeanor with the
grad/post-grad community is also a bit of a cushion. You might try
teaching more.

>    Personally, I like you "to a point"... but your mild psychotic overlay
> has an obvious tendency to get out of hand.... and believe me....
> everyone who knows you knows about it and all of us are keeping our
> fingers crossed day and night that the strain on you doesn't get so
> high that you'll crack and do something stupid and f.ck up your life,
> career and everything else....

I think you're recycling. See above.

> for chrissakes... knock off this
> public internet harrassment of yours...

Stating facts that contradict your fragile and flawed view of the
universe is not harassment.

> you've got too much to lose.
> And especially don't fall into the trap of stalking and attacking some
> alter ego figure like Hammond.  For chrissakes Hammond is a total loser
> (careerwise) and has consequently sacrificed his life to pure research,
> and HAS DISCOVERED SOMETHING OF IMPORTANCE....

And learned, rational, highly intelligent people in MANY fields tell you
you're wrong. Even wrong to the point of being irrational. Several
fields of science, theology, psychology, and social sciences all have
told you that your view of the universe is inconsistent with *observed
facts*. I'm certainly not the only one.

You, yourself, have posted the brush-offs and dismissals of the physics,
theological, and social professionals when confronted with your
"theory". How can anyone reposting your "information" be considered
"attacking".

In a similar vein, you have posted several long descriptions of your own
personal descent into madness and actual involuntary confinement in a
mental institution. You typed these posts with your own fingers. How is
anyone alluding to these posts attacking you?

> for God's sake don't come down on the wrong side of it professionally.
> You can't sue a total loser and win!

That's a civil concept. Criminal and mental health hearings aren't cash
based.

>   WISE UP for chrissakes... go find some outher outlet for your
> aggressions.... take up bowling or something... and just thank your
> lucky stars you're not in Hammond's position in life.
>   Look... I'm not asking you to do something noble and courageous
> like trying to help me.... I'm just asking you not to publicly commit
> hari kari trying to persecute me...

Posting factual rebuttals to a USENET spew is not persecution. You need
 to relax.

Take a deep breath,... now let is out. Nobody is after you. Relax - this
is USENET. If you expect validation, acceptance, and fame in this
environment, you've missed the point of the media.

Regards.
Roy Schestowitz - 28 Dec 2004 07:15 GMT
>> > [Oildick]
>  owt sah ti dnA !tsitneics a eb *tsum* yug ehT !tsil desab-orez A !LOL > >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>  .rM t'nsi yllaer "ecneicS" .raelc taht lla t'nsi tsuj gnikniht >
> .dleif s']dnommaH[ >

An immature reply that rather than admitting a humble mistake, attempts to
sustain presence; nothing more!

I too used to enumerate in hexadecimal, but only when numbering CD volumes.
I frankly doubt whether Hammond has any computer science background. What
appears to be 'sophistication' was nothing more than laziness, sloppiness.

Roy

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Olrik - 28 Dec 2004 06:54 GMT
>> <snip>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> A 0 based array certainly isn't unheard of.

When writing software. Other than that, it's pretty much ludicrous.

> It is interesting to note
> that [Hammond] dismisses most of the computer sciences though.

And all of science and logic, for that matter.

> The repeating "2"s just shows his sloppy attention to detail. His
> thinking just isn't all that clear. "Science" really isn't Mr.
> [Hammond]'s field.

At first, I thought he was a kook. Then I realized he was sick. Now I
think he finally snapped.

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Uno Hoo! - 31 Dec 2004 16:54 GMT
>> <snip>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> The repeating "2"s just shows his sloppy attention to detail. His thinking
> just isn't all that clear. "Science" really isn't Mr. [Hammond]'s field.

And spelling certainly isn't !!!

Kev
Rev. Take  (Miss) - 29 Dec 2004 16:49 GMT
> GOD=G_uv  A CHRISTMAS MESSAGE
>
>  2,004 years ago Jesus announced a revolutionary
> social theory:

how many years ago?  the calendar as we now have it was 6 years out of date
for a start

and secondly, has anyone else wondered what the great  BC / AD changover was
like?   poor sods, all sat talking about how their new watches were advanced
and ready for the change over and the poorer people stuck with their BC
watches that were due to date anyday soon . . . . . .come to think of it -
if herod would have looked at his watch he would have know jesus was here by
the simple fact the display suddenly said AD!

well enough of you were talking bollocks I just decided to join in.
robert j. kolker - 29 Dec 2004 17:09 GMT
> how many years ago?  the calendar as we now have it was 6 years out of date
> for a start

True. If Jesus was born it was 6 before the common era. His
revolutionary theory was a compassionate application of Torah Law. He
said, or was supposed to have said, "I have not come to change a dot or
title of the Law but to fulfill it"..

The revolution goes back to the time of Abraham and Moses.

Bob Kolker
Iain - 29 Dec 2004 18:26 GMT
No son of God would have said such rubbish.

~Iain
 
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