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A Time Dilation Observation Flaw

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guskz@hotmail.com - 26 Feb 2005 19:50 GMT
Model:

1. There's a velocity difference of c/3 between TWO platforms A&B and
each platform has a pair of twins.
2. Each platform has an orbiting satellite.

Action:

One of each twin leaves his platform and goes to the other platform.

Precursor:

Each twin can supposidly see the other's platform length contract and
similarly count the number of orbits of each satellite. As well there
is a Proper Time for both platforms (Ds^2 = cdt^2-dx^2)

Results:

There seems to be a Time Dilation Observation Flaw due to the laws of
relavistic symmetrie:

Each traveling twin is now with one stay-at-home twin, and the twins
can count the opposing satellite's number of orbits and establish a
Property Time between both platforms:  yet the traveling twin should
see his home's satellite orbiting faster (slower proper time clock)
where as on the same platform the stay-at-home twin should see the same
satellite orbiting slower (faster proper time clock)?
jahn - 26 Feb 2005 20:39 GMT
> Model:
>
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> where as on the same platform the stay-at-home twin should see the same
> satellite orbiting slower (faster proper time clock)?

I think they are called quintuplets but that's another ng.

1. Purchase four equal lengths of garden hose from anywhere but
Walmart.
2. Hire a birthday clown wearing a calendar watch  from any
country that permits labour unions.
3 Fill the hoses with air at STP, seal ends with thin membranes.
 and give one end to each twin.
4 Every 365.25 days have clown sing Happy Birthday day into
 his end of each of the four hoses.
When the quints accompany the clown as heard from their end of
the hose, they will have perfect pitch and tempo, regardless of
company or motion and will be able to accompany each other.

They will see each other a angels because  the satellites overhead
will appear as halos.  This effect will in no way alter the number
that can dance on the head of a pin.

;-)

Sue...
guskz@hotmail.com - 27 Feb 2005 23:44 GMT
> > Model:
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> When the quints accompany the clown as heard from their end of
> the hose, they will have perfect pitch and tempo,

I think that's impossible, frequency(pitch) changes with velocity, see
Relativity and Doppler Effect. There may be some errors in scientific
assumptions about the different spectrums arriving
simultaneously....for the original light spectrum from the quasar's
inertial observation should perhaps change not color wise but to sound
or gamma rays to our inertial observation (possibly combining into also
what we call a cosmic microwave background radiation)

> regardless of
> company or motion and will be able to accompany each other.
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>
> Sue...
Uncle Al - 26 Feb 2005 21:44 GMT
> Model:
>
> 1. There's a velocity difference of c/3 between TWO platforms A&B and
> each platform has a pair of twins.
[snip]

Who measures the velocities, git?

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guskz@hotmail.com - 27 Feb 2005 23:45 GMT
> > Model:
> >
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>
> Who measures the velocities, git?

Won't anyone answer the poor man?
Sam Wormley - 26 Feb 2005 23:58 GMT
> Model:
>
> 1. There's a velocity difference of c/3 between TWO platforms A&B and
> each platform has a pair of twins.
> 2. Each platform has an orbiting satellite.

  *plonk*
guskz@hotmail.com - 27 Feb 2005 20:28 GMT
> > Model:
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>
>    *plonk*

Good but some "Worms" don't know the meaning of plonk and keep
replying??
 
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