At present, there is no supportable rationalization regarding the
fundamentals of time or gravity. Mankind clearly observes that both do
exist; yet we do not understand how or why. Newton's Law of gravity is still
utilized in modern time, despite it being over 300 years old. Although
millions of dollars have been spent worldwide building high-speed particle
accelerators (atom smashers), the force carrier for gravity still eludes
modern science to present day. This website has been created to put forward
new perspectives to the science community, without contradiction of known
facts, based upon reliable observations of behaviours on Earth.
FACT - gravity is the only known force that we cannot shield, whereas an
"anti-gravity" effect could be created by "blocking gravitational
interactions" between objects. Therefore, it is appropriate to state that
gravity travels through all physical objects, as opposed to being exchanged
between objects. Ironically, although time is not recognized as a force in
science, it too affects all matter in a similar manner, and cannot be
shielded either. To date, no force carrier for gravity has been found,
supporting that it is not exchanged between objects.
FACT - since gravity travels through physical objects, this must have a
"cumulative net effect" upon matter, which can be quantified and measured in
some form. A good example of this quantification is placing a wrinkled leaf
inside the pages of a book. The more "time" the leaf is inside the book; the
more "pressed" it becomes. Yet the force of gravity acting upon the leaf
inside the book never changes, it's only the "cumulative net effect" of
gravity, which pressed the leaf flat. This verifies that gravity indeed has
a "cumulative net effect" while passing through objects.
FACT - gravity defies the conservation of energy, as it indefinitely
converts potential energy to kinetic energy to maintain constant force
between physical objects, perpetually. Other than the obvious fact that mass
is energy, however, the energy is not exchanged while gravity maintains a
constant force between objects.
FACT - we assume that a black hole is an enormous gravitational field,
caused by a collapsed star, compacting matter so densely, it is singularity.
However, gravity is based upon mass, not density of mass. Thus when a star
collapses, its mass doesn't change, thus its gravitational force doesn't
change, but then what changes? This observation supports conclusions
contained herein
FACT - in Quantum Field Theory (QFT) gravity is virtually ignored, as its
interaction is nominal. Also, time behaves in a state of "controlled chaos",
cycling back and forth in a random manner. Yet as physical mass
accumulates, both time and gravity become very stable, grow in influence,
and the force of gravity becomes the most powerful force in the Universe,
relative to physical mass. This suggests there could be a relationship
between gravity and time, as both grow in influence and stabilize as energy
accumulates.
FACT - the speed of light ("C"), slows approximately 27% in velocity when
passed through water, yet returns to "C" when it exits the water. This
defies physics, as there is no energy source to "re-accelerate" light back
to value of "C". This observation supports conclusions contained herein.
FACT - Newton's Law states; Force = Mass x Acceleration (f=ma). However,
this law does not explain why an object dropped from any height will be
deformed (by force) when impacting the Earth. At the moment of impact, the
acceleration of an object is immediately reduced to ZERO, thus at that
precise moment, force = zero. However, an egg dropped from a height of 5
feet will break when it impacts the floor, eventhough there is no force at
the moment of impact. Therefore, there must be another element (a force),
which causes the egg to break.
FACT - the theory of flight is based upon the Bernoulli's Principle of fluid
dynamics, whereas the leading edge of a wing is designed with a camber to
accelerate airflow faster over the top surface of the wing, which in turn
creates lift. However, this effect is negated during "inverted flight", as
the camber is also inverted; yet an aircraft can still maintain inverted
flight indefinitely. Therefore the Bernoulli's Principle is not applicable
to inverted flight; thus there must be another principle, which supports the
theory of flight, regardless of pitch, yaw, or roll angle of an aircraft, in
relationship to Earth.
Plausible answers can be found at www.threexd.com
Regards,
Mark Oliver
markoliver@threexd.com
Paul Cardinale - 30 Mar 2005 20:15 GMT
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If you had bothered to learn any physics before you spewed crap,
you would realize that you have your "facts" wrong.
Go play with yourself somewhere else.
Paul Cardinale
Bill Hobba - 30 Mar 2005 23:19 GMT
> At present, there is no supportable rationalization regarding the
> fundamentals of time or gravity.
Sure there is - time is what a clock reads, gravity is space-time curvature.
> Mankind clearly observes that both do
> exist; yet we do not understand how or why.
> Newton's Law of gravity is still
> utilized in modern time, despite it being over 300 years old.
So is Newtonian mechancis.
> Although millions of dollars have been spent worldwide building
> high-speed particle accelerators (atom smashers), the force carrier
> for gravity still eludes modern science to present day.
So does how methodrexate helps arthritis. So maybe there is something wrong
with medical science as well. I guess we better stop using it until it is
sorted out.
> This website has been created to put forward
> new perspectives to the science community, without contradiction of known
> facts, based upon reliable observations of behaviours on Earth.
You already contradicted known facts when you gave a common crank rant 'At
present, there is no supportable rationalization regarding the fundamentals
of time or gravity.'
> FACT - gravity is the only known force that we cannot shield,
> whereas an "anti-gravity" effect could be created by
> "blocking gravitational interactions" between objects.
> Therefore, it is appropriate to state that gravity travels through
> all physical objects, as opposed to being exchanged
> between objects.
Your logic is erroneous.
> Ironically, although time is not recognized as a force in
> science, it too affects all matter in a similar manner, and cannot be
> shielded either.
Stringing together incompatible concepts in silly ways will not achieve
progress.
> To date, no force carrier for gravity has been found,
> supporting that it is not exchanged between objects.
You neglect to point out that well known physical principles imply it does
exist.
> FACT - since gravity travels through physical objects, this must have a
> "cumulative net effect" upon matter, which can be quantified and
> measured in some form.
Your logic is again erroneous.
> A good example of this quantification is placing a wrinkled leaf
> inside the pages of a book. The more "time" the leaf is inside
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> leaf flat. This verifies that gravity indeed has
> a "cumulative net effect" while passing through objects.
It verifies that leafs have a 'memory' of how they were crumpled that fades
when pressure is applied.
> FACT - gravity defies the conservation of energy,
Generally in GR it is not even possible to define energy -
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/energy_gr.html
> as it indefinitely converts potential energy to kinetic energy to
> maintain constant force between physical objects, perpetually.
Wrong.
> Other than the obvious fact that mass
> is energy, however, the energy is not exchanged while gravity maintains a
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> caused by a collapsed star, compacting matter so densely, it is singularity.
> However, gravity is based upon mass, not density of mass.
Gravity is based on the stress energy tensor. The stresses of highly
compressed matter also contribute to gravity.
> Thus when a star
> collapses, its mass doesn't change, thus its gravitational force doesn't
> change, but then what changes? This observation supports conclusions
> contained herein
All it supports is your lack of understanding of GR.
> FACT - in Quantum Field Theory (QFT) gravity is virtually ignored, as its
> interaction is nominal.
Wrong - see http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9512024
> Also, time behaves in a state of "controlled chaos",
> cycling back and forth in a random manner. Yet as physical mass
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> defies physics, as there is no energy source to "re-accelerate" light back
> to value of "C". This observation supports conclusions contained herein.
There are a number of ways of explaining this. Although not necessary the
best the one I use is photons always travel at the speed of light. However
when entering a medium they are absorbed and reemitted - it is that process
that slows them down. Once they leave the medium there is nothing to
interfere with them and they continue on their way. However such an
explanation enshrines the persuasive approach to QED. Other explanations
involving waves interacting with the medium are better but are more complex
to explain in English.
> FACT - Newton's Law states; Force = Mass x Acceleration (f=ma). However,
> this law does not explain why an object dropped from any height will be
> deformed (by force) when impacting the Earth. At the moment of impact, the
> acceleration of an object is immediately reduced to ZERO, thus at that
> precise moment, force = zero.
High speed photography shows such is not the case.
> However, an egg dropped from a height of 5
> feet will break when it impacts the floor, eventhough there is no force at
> the moment of impact. Therefore, there must be another element (a force),
> which causes the egg to break.
Yea - it is the solidity of the floor. This solidity causes it to apply a
force equal and opposite to the force applied. Why objects are solid
requires QM -specifically the fact that electrons are fermions.
> FACT - the theory of flight is based upon the Bernoulli's Principle of fluid
> dynamics, whereas the leading edge of a wing is designed with a camber to
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>
> Plausible answers can be found at www.threexd.com
You have one of the most widespread collection of crank misconceptions I
have ever seen.
Bill
> Regards,
> Mark Oliver
> markoliver@threexd.com
Koobee Wublee - 31 Mar 2005 01:06 GMT
> [...] gravity is space-time curvature [...]
There is a problem with theories explaining gravity as the result of the
environment around one or several objects/momentum/energy, such as GR.
Let me explain more clearly this time. So, you don't have to dwell on
personal insult or just sweeping this problem under the carpet.
If there is only one object, we have the object creating a fabric of
spacetime where all other objects with negligible mass compared to the
central mass would 'fall' into the curvature of the spacetime. This is
gravity, and there is no problem with this scenario.
If there are two objects, the fabric of spacetime would have its highest
degree of curvature right at the center of mass of the two objects. Each
object would try to 'fall' into the point where the center of mass is. This
again is gravity, and there is no problem with this scenario, either.
If there are two objects in the system such as the sun, the earth, and the
moon, the fabric of spacetime should also have the highest degree of
curvature at the center of mass of the system. Now, here is the problem.
When the moon is right in between the sun and the earth, the curvature of
spacetime cannot have the moon 'fall' into the earth while the earth 'falls'
into the sun. If the earth 'falls' into the sun, the moon should do the
same thing.
The curvature of spacetime is global. There is no such thing as the
earth-moon having its own fabric of spacetime independent of the
sun-earth's. This idea is very different from Newtonian gravity.
Therefore, this is exactly what Mr. Smith was talking about with that single
word remark. That is GR is wrong.
Bill Hobba - 31 Mar 2005 04:10 GMT
> > [...] gravity is space-time curvature [...]
>
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> If there is only one object, we have the object creating a fabric of
> spacetime
Space-time is not a fabric.
> where all other objects with negligible mass compared to the
> central mass would 'fall' into the curvature of the spacetime.
Objects do not 'fall' into the curvature of space-time - they follow
geodesics according to the principle of maximal ageing.
Why do you think you inappropriate analogies have any validity?
Rest snipped.
Bill
Bill Hobba - 31 Mar 2005 04:45 GMT
> > [...] gravity is space-time curvature [...]
>
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> moon, the fabric of spacetime should also have the highest degree of
> curvature at the center of mass of the system.
BTW the highest degree of curvature does not occur at the center of mass of
the system.
> Now, here is the problem.
> When the moon is right in between the sun and the earth, the curvature of
> spacetime cannot have the moon 'fall' into the earth while the earth 'falls'
> into the sun.
Nor does GR say it does - since it does not say anything falls. What is
says is the space-time curvature is such that the moon rotates around the
earth and the earth-moon system rotates around the sun.
> If the earth 'falls' into the sun, the moon should do the
> same thing.
Both the earth and the moon feel the suns gravitation - the earth-moon
system rotates around the sun.
> The curvature of spacetime is global. There is no such thing as the
> earth-moon having its own fabric of spacetime independent of the
> sun-earth's. This idea is very different from Newtonian gravity.
> Therefore, this is exactly what Mr. Smith was talking about with that single
> word remark. That is GR is wrong.
Express your ideas in the language of GR not in some folksy popularist
writing inspired imagery of zero validity.
Bill
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) - 31 Mar 2005 03:37 GMT
Dear Mark Oliver:
...
> This website has been created to put forward
> new perspectives to the science community,
> without contradiction of known facts, based
> upon reliable observations of behaviours on
> Earth.
This sentence should be changed to "without resorting to facts",
since your facts... aren't.
> FACT - gravity is the only known force that we cannot shield,
Wrong. Gravity is not a force, and none of the other forces can
be shielded... only cancelled in the same way the node between
the Earth and the Moon is a no-gravity point.
> FACT - since gravity travels through
> physical objects, this must have a
> "cumulative net effect" upon matter,
> which can be quantified and measured in
> some form.
Wrong. No cumulative net effect is observable.
> FACT - gravity defies the conservation of energy,
> as it indefinitely converts potential energy to
> kinetic energy to maintain constant force
> between physical objects, perpetually.
Wrong. Force is not energy.
> FACT - we assume that a black hole is an
> enormous gravitational field, caused by a
> collapsed star, compacting matter so
> densely, it is singularity.
In fact we have made close cousins to classical black holes. And
collision particles did not exit them, but Hawking radiation did
as they evaporated.
> FACT - in Quantum Field Theory (QFT) gravity
> is virtually ignored, as its interaction is nominal.
Wrong. Gravity is ignored in the same way that space and time
are ignored.
> FACT - the speed of light ("C"), slows
> approximately 27% in velocity when passed
> through water, yet returns to "C" when it exits
> the water.
Wrong. Light always travels at c. Light just doesn't always
travel, when in a medium.
> FACT - Newton's Law states; Force = Mass
> x Acceleration (f=ma). However, this law
> does not explain why an object dropped from
> any height will be deformed (by force) when
> impacting the Earth.
Which is it? The Earth provides an impulse, or it doesn't. You
claim the Earth stops the egg without force...
> FACT - the theory of flight is based upon the
> Bernoulli's Principle of fluid dynamics, whereas
> the leading edge of a wing is designed with a camber
> to accelerate airflow faster over the top surface of the
> wing, which in turn creates lift.
Wrong. The angle of the attack controls the lift, the shape only
serves to make the lifting process more efficient.
> Plausible answers can be found at www.threexd.com
Jeez, I hope these weren't samples you posted here!
David A. Smith