Natural Science Forum / Physics / Relativity / April 2005

Hell, Hilary for president!  This country needs to party again. ;-)

FrediFizzx

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps

OsherD:

 Why not?

 Which means what? That not conforming is more important than
getting the correct physics, or what? Be a non-conformist and
try jumping from a bridge under the assumption you'll fall up.
Otherwise, your non-conformist argument is strawman. Physicists
don't agree on those things which haven't been demonstrated to
be correct repeatedly by experiment. You simply aren't looking
where the physics is uncertain.

[*mindless slogans of conformity snipped*]

Still no physics.

Sue,
I think it means that the rich and powerful have become filthy Commies,

in Nick's topsy turvy political world view, since they have demolished
the hypocritical Donkeys and are in the process of developing a police
state under Republican martial law, just like Hitler, Stalin, etc.

Sue:
Oh! I see.
Then Walmart owns the Democrats AND the Republicans.

Yep! Here is the bill of sale:
http://www.opensecrets.org

Sue...

Negative myth?

The left are the liars.
Terri Schiavo was tortured.

Now its your turn.

I didn't leave the right wing hypocrites out.
Though the primary enemy within is still the left!!!

Read what I said properly, then comment, befuddled idiot.

<< Capitalism fiscally defeated Communism >>

It sure did! I'll bet Cuba is the only place where people
have to work in a "State Store" in the "New World Order".

<< Wal-Mart is not just the world's largest retailer.
It's the world's largest company--bigger than ExxonMobil,
General Motors, and General Electric. The scale can be
hard to absorb. Wal-Mart sold $244.5 billion worth of
goods last year. It sells in three months what

number-two retailer Home Depot sells in a year.
And in its own category of general merchandise
and groceries, Wal-Mart no longer has any real
rivals. It does more business than Target, Sears,
Kmart, J.C. Penney, Safeway, and Kroger combined.
"Clearly," says Edward Fox, head of Southern
Methodist University's J.C. Penney Center for
Retailing Excellence, "Wal-Mart is more powerful
than any retailer has ever been." It is, in fact, so
big and so furtively powerful as to have become
an entirely different order of corporate being. >>
"The Wal-Mart You Don't Know"
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

Oh well... at least they don't have any ties to
communist countries or corrupt dictator's.

<< Wal-Mart is a driving force behind the
decadent Imperial Roman model of the United
States. Unable any longer to reproduce its own
population's existence through its own physical
economy, the United States has, for the past two
decades, used an over-valued dollar to suck in
physical goods from around the globe for its survival.
Wal-Mart is both the public face and working sinews
of that policy. It brings in cheap pants from Bangladesh,
cheap shirts from China, cheap food from Mexico, etc.
Workers who produce these things are paid next to
nothing. >>
"Wal-Mart Is Not a Business, It's an Economic Disease"
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3044wal-mart.html

Sue...

an Infantile Disorder_? <<

Yes, I did, though I had to go and review it again. (I have wondered if
Einstein had the book in mind when he said that Nationalism was an
"infantile disease-- the measles of mankind." )

Anyway, Lenin doesn't mean it quite that derogatively. He means
infantile as overly idealistic, in the way that the Bolsheviks were
before they managed to take over Russia. And yes, it is true that back
in the old days Communists indeed sometimes spoke of themselves as
being subdivided into Left and Right type, with the Left signifying the
idealistic anarchists who wouldn't settle for less than a classless and
leaderless society (Marx's Communist utopia), and the Right being the
tame sort of English or Swedish socialists, who figured you could vote
Communism in through a parliament, and maybe tolerate the petty
bourgeoisie (shopkeepers and professionals).

Lenin, who is writing rather late, after the Russian Revolution, sees
himself as ever the "center" of Communism, and doesn't like either
option by 1920. He certainly cannot advocate a leaderless or
government-free society, since he's now the man in charge himself. And
he knows how hard a classless society is to make--- you can easily kill
off the rare "bourgeois" big-capitalists and land owners, but it's much
harder to get rid of small business, because it is larger, and
naturally springs up all the time everywhere, where-ever people trade
this for that (see "market" and "black market"). And even petty
ownership inculcates bourgeois values. So Lenin knew the
petty-bourgeoisie would be around for a while (before finally being
destroyed, of course-- as Stalin was later to do), and meanwhile, it
had to be milked. Lenin also hoped for non-violent Communist
revolutions in places like England and Germany, and knew this wasn't
going to happen without some compromise in old-style ideals. So he's
fulminating against the idealists in other countries, here, and calling
them infantile leftists.

BTW I can never read Lenin without a sense of how the man persistently
fooled himself about his own role in Russia, and in Marxism.  Lenin was
strictly middle class, trained as a lawyer. He was no manual worker, no
"prole," and he knew it. His background was as petty-bourgeois as any
pharmacist or shopkeeper, and he might have realized that more deeply,
had he ever had to make at living at law. But here he is, even at the
end, intent on seeing himself as the living embodiment of the
dictatorship of the proletariat. Instead he's the living embodiment of
the dictatorship of professional demagogue. Lenin was emotionally
callous, but I imagine the only physical callouses he had were on thumb
and first finger of right hand, from manipulating a quill pen. Had
there ever been a genuine dictatorship of the proletariat in the Soviet
Union, the first thing they would have done is taken Lenin out and
stood him against a wall. As happened in Cambodia in the late 70's. Or
at the very least, put him to work in the fields with the rest of the
masses. It's a real shame this never happened, as the twisty bastard
certainly deserved it.

SBH