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How big is the universal light cone Old Man?

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Nick - 26 May 2005 01:22 GMT
Supposed "events" beyond the bounds
of your light cone are out of space and time.
[Old Man]

Wrong Old Man. There are always events outside your light
cone because there is space and time there.
But you would be right if you treated the whole universe
as the object since there is nothing outside it -
no space or time for events to occure in!

You really think you're smart?
OsherD - 26 May 2005 02:25 GMT
>From Osher Doctorow

Old Man insulted me, so he's definitely not smart.

As for the universe, have you noticed that the universe and the null
(empty) set are "opposites" (everything vs nothing, roughly speaking).
In fact, in set theory, if S is the universe and N is the null set and
prime ( ' ) denotes "complement of" (outside of roughly, or "part of
the universe that is outside of"), then we have S' = N and N' = S.  The
difficulty physically in interpreting this comes in concerning N.  What
if N were physically represented by some "ultimate generalized-modified
vacuum" that actually contains no particles whether real or virtual?
Would this change the universe S from its usual interpretation as
"everything that exists" to "everything both potential (that could
exist) and actual"?   Right now, most people regard N as represented by
no physical scenario.  But every other set in physics is supposed to be
represented.  Does that make N a "point anomaly" (see my concurrent
thread on Nonlocality)?

Osher Doctorow
vanep@cox.net - 27 May 2005 05:07 GMT
Old Man is very smart as evidenced by his early recognition that you
are a 'goofball'. Hopefully you won't 'thousand post' this site with
the kind of bs you deposited at the stringtheory site.
Old Man - 26 May 2005 04:32 GMT
> Supposed "events" beyond the bounds
> of your light cone are out of space and time.
> [Old Man]
>
> Wrong Old Man. There are always events outside your light
> cone because there is space and time there.

No.  Supposed "events" outside of maromitches
light cone aren't causal to him (past light cone), nor
is he causal to them (future light cone).  Origins of
no consequence are out of space and time.

Old Man's current wishes are outside of his light
cone. It is Old Man's current wish that he hadn't
replied to macromitch yesterday.

> But you would be right if you treated the whole universe
> as the object since there is nothing outside it -
> no space or time for events to occure in!
>
> You really think you're smart?
Nick - 26 May 2005 04:51 GMT
>  > Supposed "events" beyond the bounds
> > of your light cone are out of space and time.
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> No.  Supposed "events" outside of maromitches
> light cone aren't causal to him (past light cone),
Not causal is right. That they don't exist?
Nonsense.

> nor
> is he causal to them (future light cone).  Origins of
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> >
> > You really think you're smart?
T Wake - 28 May 2005 10:09 GMT
> Not causal is right. That they don't exist?
> Nonsense.

It seems that you are talking nonsense here.
Morituri-|-Max - 28 May 2005 12:50 GMT
>> Not causal is right. That they don't exist?
>> Nonsense.
>
> It seems that you are talking nonsense here.

nickies whole universe is based on the rock solid creationist foundation,
"goddidit."

That's it.   That sums up his entire world view.
T Wake - 28 May 2005 21:07 GMT
> nickies whole universe is based on the rock solid creationist foundation,
> "goddidit."
>
> That's it.   That sums up his entire world view.

At least that leaves him someone to blame for all his misfortune.
Nick - 28 May 2005 22:52 GMT
Show me that distant space-time doesn't exist.
Can you do that?
T Wake - 28 May 2005 23:00 GMT
> Show me that distant space-time doesn't exist.
> Can you do that?

Can you show it does exist? Can you show anything outside the visible
universe exists or doesn't exist?
Morituri-|-Max - 29 May 2005 02:11 GMT
> Show me that distant space-time doesn't exist.
> Can you do that?

You don't deserve it.
yt56erd - 29 May 2005 11:35 GMT
> Show me that distant space-time doesn't exist.
> Can you do that?

yes.

look into the sky. can you see anything 25 billion light years away?

now its your turn to show it does exist.

cnut.
Morituri-|-Max - 26 May 2005 06:40 GMT
> You really think you're smart?

Yes.  Harder questions please.
 
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