3 time dimensions?
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wespe@operamail.com - 17 Jun 2005 08:19 GMT Hey all, If velocity change corresponds to rotation in time, could there be 3 time dimensions in which the rotation occurs, one for each spatial dimension? Time would be sort of a parallel universe then.. Really, is there any reason that limits number of time dimensions to one? Thanks.
Nick - 17 Jun 2005 08:39 GMT > Hey all, > If velocity change corresponds to rotation in time, could there be 3 > time dimensions in which the rotation occurs, one for each spatial > dimension? Time would be sort of a parallel universe then.. Really, is > there any reason that limits number of time dimensions to one? Thanks. Time moves forward in every direction. And directions are curved!
Sue... - 17 Jun 2005 11:01 GMT The analogy to wine tasting is most appropriate. Could there be a Nobel prize in the future of the person who discovers that wine has five additional dimensions:
Viscosity Price per case Popularity Sugar content Ph Index of refraction
;-) Sue...
Don Giovanni - 17 Jun 2005 12:39 GMT so dimensions are bullshit, 3d spcae is bullshit becus 1d displacement cant exist, it will always be in 3d
so space is only 1d not 3d
Sue... - 17 Jun 2005 13:06 GMT A space with dimensions is a mathematical construcion. It is the validity of the rules you use to map the space to properties of some real world entity that determine the spaces usefulness. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=orthogonality&btnG=Google+Search
Trust me. Rene' de Cartes was not on the creator's payroll. ;-)
Sue...
nano - 17 Jun 2005 18:27 GMT > A space with dimensions is a mathematical construcion. so its fake, fabricated
> It is the validity of the rules you use to map the space to properties > of > some real world entity that determine the spaces usefulness. one dimension 3 coordinates sufice
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=orthogonality&btnG=Google+Search > > Trust me. Rene' de Cartes was not on the creator's payroll. ;-) > > Sue... markwh04@yahoo.com - 28 Jun 2005 21:18 GMT > > A space with dimensions is a mathematical construcion. > > so its fake, fabricated Yes. The fact that the corner in the room has 3 edges coming out of it, each perpendicular to one another, and not more than 3 is a fake construct all in your head. There is are no walls there and no room. You're just imagining it. It's fabricated. It's all a lie made up by Physicists in a conspiracy to aggrivate Spaceman, who now calls himself Traveller or whatever.
Tom Roberts - 19 Jun 2005 18:05 GMT > If velocity change corresponds to rotation in time, could there be 3 > time dimensions in which the rotation occurs, one for each spatial > dimension? A priori there's no reasn to exclude such a concept. But in the world we inhabit we do not observe this. The world we inhabit is well modeled using 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions, combined into a single spacetime manifold.
Tom Roberts tjroberts@lucent.com
geraldkelleher@hotmail.com - 19 Jun 2005 20:39 GMT To Tom
H.G. Wells thought the same thing in 1898 -
"Now, it is very remarkable that this is so extensively overlooked,' continued the Time Traveller, with a slight accession of cheerfulness. 'Really this is what is meant by the Fourth Dimension, though some people who talk about the Fourth Dimension do not know they mean it. It is only another way of looking at Time. There is no difference between time and any of the three dimensions of space except that our consciousness moves along it. But some foolish people have got hold of the wrong side of that idea. You have all heard what they have to say about this Fourth Dimension?'"
http://www.bartleby.com/1000/1.html
I think most people would dread being found dead reading a sci-fi novel,how does it feel to live that sci-fi out for real.
You have no idea that a civilisation that lives on insincerity and wishful thinking will eventually produce a generation that imagines it is an accomplishment to hold to such an ideology .In a world full of big bombs and small people with your beloved relativistic cartoon being squeezed out, the intellectual atrophy that a century's worth of this nonsense has produced is waiting for people just like you who imagine clarity where there is only confusion and imagine achievements where there is only insincerity and pretensiousness.
It was never about being correct or incorrect,it was always about choices based on astronomy,either Newtonian quasi-geocentric or relativistic homocentric, and all leading down the road to a festering mess where one opinion is no better or worse than the next.Either way,you derive your authority from 1898 and H.G. Wells,sorry !.
Aristotle - 20 Jun 2005 06:11 GMT >To Tom > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I think most people would dread being found dead reading a sci-fi >novel,how does it feel to live that sci-fi out for real. Really? Then how do you explain the commercial success of Star Wars, Star Trek Empire and Stargate? If you really beleive that most people would dread being found to have read a sci-fi novel then you are more cut off from reality than your thinking indicates. You anti-catalouger .
geraldkelleher@hotmail.com - 20 Jun 2005 11:03 GMT To Aristotle
Suit yourself,the fiction of Wells is indeed exciting but so is Tolkein and I would'nt go maneuvering natural phenomena to suit the notion time travel no more than twist geology to supporting a 'Middle Earth'.
Tom and his colleagues live out a cartoon existence,the strength of argument is now only in consensual anonimity where there are no real characters of strenth and courage to call a halt to this intellectual fiasco.Given that there is a tremendous amount of material buried under relativistic garbage to work with,the stupidity now extends to cutting off your noses to spite your faces.
He can go up against gravitation in a balloon, and why should he not hope that ultimately he may be able to stop or accelerate his drift along the Time-Dimension, or even turn about and travel the other way?' 27 'Oh, this,' began Filby, 'is all-' 28 'Why not?' said the Time Traveller. 29 'It's against reason,' said Filby. 30 'What reason?' said the Time Traveller. 31 'You can show black is white by argument,' said Filby, 'but you will never convince me.' 32 'Possibly not,' said the Time Traveller. 'But now you begin to see the object of my investigations into the geometry of Four Dimensions. Long ago I had a vague inkling of a machine-' 33 'To travel through Time!' exclaimed the Very Young Man. 34 'That shall travel indifferently in any direction of Space and Time, as the driver determines.' 35 Filby contented himself with laughter. 36 'But I have experimental verification,' said the Time Traveller.
http://www.bartleby.com/1000/1.html
Henri Wilson - 21 Jun 2005 02:42 GMT >> If velocity change corresponds to rotation in time, could there be 3 >> time dimensions in which the rotation occurs, one for each spatial [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >using 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions, combined into a single >spacetime manifold. Don't be silly Tom.
Our knowledge and undestanding of TIME is pitiful.
Nobody even distinguishes between time 'instant' , time 'interval', and time 'flow'.
We make statements like, "What TIME is it?", "how much TIME did that take?" and "TIME seems to be going much faster nowadays", without even recognizing the three distinct meanings of the word TIME in each one.
There must be more than one time subdimension.
Time flows at one second per second, a definition that would be circular otherwise.
Just as we define the slope of a hill as 3 'up' to every 10 'along' (ie, y/x), time's rate of movement is t1/t2, etc.
It is all so obvious when the penny drops.
>Tom Roberts tjroberts@lucent.com HW. www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
Sometimes I feel like a complete failure. The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong.
Pekka Virtanen - 21 Jun 2005 13:21 GMT > Hey all, > If velocity change corresponds to rotation in time, could there be 3 > time dimensions in which the rotation occurs, one for each spatial > dimension? Time would be sort of a parallel universe then.. Really, is > there any reason that limits number of time dimensions to one? Thanks. If you will know the relation between the time and three spatial dimensions, try next link. The time can not be used as a dimension at any way. The time is a continuity and therefore it can be used as a part of manifold. The space-age is a pure manifold.
Pekka
The introduction: http://koti.mbnet.fi/mpelt/tekstit/dtheory.htm
The files: http://koti.mbnet.fi/mpelt/tekstit/dtheory_1.pdf http://koti.mbnet.fi/mpelt/tekstit/dtheory_2.pdf http://koti.mbnet.fi/mpelt/tekstit/dtheory_3.pdf
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