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wespe@operamail.com - 17 Jun 2005 08:19 GMT
Hey all,
If velocity change corresponds to rotation in time, could there be 3
time dimensions in which the rotation occurs, one for each spatial
dimension? Time would be sort of a parallel universe then.. Really, is
there any reason that limits number of time dimensions to one? Thanks.
Nick - 17 Jun 2005 08:39 GMT
> Hey all,
> If velocity change corresponds to rotation in time, could there be 3
> time dimensions in which the rotation occurs, one for each spatial
> dimension? Time would be sort of a parallel universe then.. Really, is
> there any reason that limits number of time dimensions to one? Thanks.

Time moves forward in every direction.
And directions are curved!
Sue... - 17 Jun 2005 11:01 GMT
The analogy to wine tasting is most appropriate. Could there be a
Nobel prize in the future of the person who discovers that wine has
five additional dimensions:

Viscosity
Price per case
Popularity
Sugar content
Ph
Index of refraction

;-)
Sue...
Don Giovanni - 17 Jun 2005 12:39 GMT
so dimensions are bullshit, 3d spcae is bullshit becus 1d displacement
cant exist, it will always be in 3d

so space is only 1d not 3d
Sue... - 17 Jun 2005 13:06 GMT
A space with dimensions is a mathematical construcion.
It is the validity of the rules you use to map the space to properties
of
some real world entity that determine the spaces usefulness.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=orthogonality&btnG=Google+Search

Trust me.  Rene' de Cartes was not on the creator's payroll. ;-)

Sue...
nano - 17 Jun 2005 18:27 GMT
> A space with dimensions is a mathematical construcion.

so its fake, fabricated

> It is the validity of the rules you use to map the space to properties
> of
> some real world entity that determine the spaces usefulness.

one dimension 3 coordinates sufice

> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=orthogonality&btnG=Google+Search
>
> Trust me.  Rene' de Cartes was not on the creator's payroll. ;-)
>
> Sue...
markwh04@yahoo.com - 28 Jun 2005 21:18 GMT
> > A space with dimensions is a mathematical construcion.
>
> so its fake, fabricated

Yes.  The fact that the corner in the room has 3 edges coming out of
it, each perpendicular to one another, and not more than 3 is a fake
construct all in your head.  There is are no walls there and no room.
You're just imagining it.  It's fabricated.  It's all a lie made up by
Physicists in a conspiracy to aggrivate Spaceman, who now calls himself
Traveller or whatever.
Tom Roberts - 19 Jun 2005 18:05 GMT
> If velocity change corresponds to rotation in time, could there be 3
> time dimensions in which the rotation occurs, one for each spatial
> dimension?

A priori there's no reasn to exclude such a concept. But in the world we
inhabit we do not observe this. The world we inhabit is well modeled
using 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions, combined into a single
spacetime manifold.

Tom Roberts    tjroberts@lucent.com
geraldkelleher@hotmail.com - 19 Jun 2005 20:39 GMT
To Tom

H.G. Wells thought the same thing in 1898 -

"Now, it is very remarkable that this is so extensively overlooked,'
continued the Time Traveller, with a slight accession of cheerfulness.
'Really this is what is meant by the Fourth Dimension, though some
people who talk about the Fourth Dimension do not know they mean it. It
is only another way of looking at Time. There is no difference between
time and any of the three dimensions of space except that our
consciousness moves along it. But some foolish people have got hold of
the wrong side of that idea. You have all heard what they have to say
about this Fourth Dimension?'"

http://www.bartleby.com/1000/1.html

I think most people would dread being found dead reading a sci-fi
novel,how does it feel to live that sci-fi out for real.

You have no idea that a civilisation that lives on insincerity and
wishful thinking will eventually produce a generation that imagines it
is an accomplishment to hold to  such an ideology .In a world full of
big bombs and small people  with your beloved relativistic cartoon
being squeezed out, the intellectual atrophy that a century's worth of
this nonsense has produced  is waiting for people just like you who
imagine clarity where there is only confusion and imagine achievements
where there is only insincerity and pretensiousness.

It was never about being correct or incorrect,it was always about
choices based on astronomy,either Newtonian quasi-geocentric or
relativistic homocentric, and all leading down the road to a festering
mess where one opinion is no better or worse than the next.Either
way,you derive your authority from 1898 and H.G. Wells,sorry !.
Aristotle - 20 Jun 2005 06:11 GMT
>To Tom
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>I think most people would dread being found dead reading a sci-fi
>novel,how does it feel to live that sci-fi out for real.

Really?  Then how do you explain the commercial success of Star Wars,
Star Trek Empire and Stargate?  If you really beleive that most people
would dread being found to have read a sci-fi novel then you are more
cut off from reality than your thinking indicates.  You
anti-catalouger .
geraldkelleher@hotmail.com - 20 Jun 2005 11:03 GMT
To Aristotle

Suit yourself,the fiction of Wells is indeed exciting but so is Tolkein
and I would'nt go maneuvering natural phenomena to suit the notion time
travel no more than twist geology to supporting a 'Middle Earth'.

Tom and his colleagues live out a cartoon existence,the strength of
argument is now only in  consensual anonimity where there are no real
characters of strenth and courage to call a halt to this intellectual
fiasco.Given that there is a tremendous amount of material buried under
relativistic garbage to work with,the stupidity now extends to cutting
off your noses to spite your faces.

He can go up against gravitation in a balloon, and why should he not
hope that ultimately he may be able to stop or accelerate his drift
along the Time-Dimension, or even turn about and travel the other
way?'   27
 'Oh, this,' began Filby, 'is all-'   28
 'Why not?' said the Time Traveller.   29
 'It's against reason,' said Filby.   30
 'What reason?' said the Time Traveller.   31
 'You can show black is white by argument,' said Filby, 'but you
will never convince me.'   32
 'Possibly not,' said the Time Traveller. 'But now you begin to
see the object of my investigations into the geometry of Four
Dimensions. Long ago I had a vague inkling of a machine-'   33
 'To travel through Time!' exclaimed the Very Young Man.   34
 'That shall travel indifferently in any direction of Space and
Time, as the driver determines.'   35
 Filby contented himself with laughter.   36
 'But I have experimental verification,' said the Time Traveller.

http://www.bartleby.com/1000/1.html
Henri Wilson - 21 Jun 2005 02:42 GMT
>> If velocity change corresponds to rotation in time, could there be 3
>> time dimensions in which the rotation occurs, one for each spatial
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>using 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions, combined into a single
>spacetime manifold.

Don't be silly Tom.

Our knowledge and undestanding of TIME is pitiful.

Nobody even distinguishes between time 'instant' , time 'interval', and time
'flow'.

We make statements like, "What TIME is it?", "how much TIME did that take?" and
"TIME seems to be going much faster nowadays", without even recognizing the
three distinct meanings of the word TIME in each one.

There must be more than one time subdimension.

Time flows at one second per second, a definition that would be circular
otherwise.

Just as we define the slope of a hill as 3 'up' to every 10 'along' (ie, y/x),
time's rate of movement is t1/t2, etc.

It is all so obvious when the penny drops.

>Tom Roberts    tjroberts@lucent.com

HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong.
Pekka Virtanen - 21 Jun 2005 13:21 GMT
> Hey all,
> If velocity change corresponds to rotation in time, could there be 3
> time dimensions in which the rotation occurs, one for each spatial
> dimension? Time would be sort of a parallel universe then.. Really, is
> there any reason that limits number of time dimensions to one? Thanks.

If you will know the relation between the time and three spatial
dimensions, try next link. The time can not be used as a dimension at
any way. The time is a continuity and therefore it can be used as a
part of manifold. The space-age is a pure manifold.

Pekka

The introduction:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/mpelt/tekstit/dtheory.htm

The files:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/mpelt/tekstit/dtheory_1.pdf
http://koti.mbnet.fi/mpelt/tekstit/dtheory_2.pdf
http://koti.mbnet.fi/mpelt/tekstit/dtheory_3.pdf
 
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