> > > > > Your reasoning for such a statement would be greatly appreciated.
> > > > >
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> What is the casual mechanism that causes the length indicated by the x axis
> to change when a rod is rotated?
> > > > > > Your reasoning for such a statement would be greatly appreciated.
> > > > > >
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>
> It's perspective.
Wrong - perceptive is an optical illusion that causes parallel lines to
appear to meet at a vanishing point. The changing length of the x axis is
geometry - just like the phenomena of time dilation is geometry.
> But there is a whole world of difference between
> your example and time. If we are both 50 yrs old and I travel near
> the speed of light in the cosmos and come back after years (what
> I thought years), your age will be like 75 while I'm only 50+.
The principle of maximal ageing (a geometric principle) at work.
> What is the causal mechanisms of this time relativity.
You follow different world lines.
> That is what I'm talking about. You can't give an example like the rod
> length thing since time is a lot different.
Yes it is different because it involves hyperbolic rotation - but otherwise
it is exactly the same.
> You can slip it under
> the rug by saying time is just a coordinate and like the rod. But
> it's not explaining the causal mechanisms but just covering it up.
You can not hide you do not understand relativity or even elementary stuff
like what perspective is yet claim that you do. You are a victim of
'Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments'
http://www.phule.net/mirrors/unskilled-and-unaware.html
Bill
> p6
p6 - 29 Jun 2005 01:07 GMT
> > > > > > > Your reasoning for such a statement would be greatly
> appreciated.
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> appear to meet at a vanishing point. The changing length of the x axis is
> geometry - just like the phenomena of time dilation is geometry.
I'm using the word perspective in a generic sense.
> > But there is a whole world of difference between
> > your example and time. If we are both 50 yrs old and I travel near
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>
> > p6
What the hell is the matter with you. I'm just asking how time
can slow down and what is the deeper mechanism. You can't treat
time as just some geometry. Time is obviously time. And if it
involves geometry. Why does spacetime do that. If you want to
hide the real explanation by flaming. Then f.ck off!!
p6
Bill Hobba - 29 Jun 2005 03:36 GMT
> > > > > > > > Your reasoning for such a statement would be greatly
> > appreciated.
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> I'm using the word perspective in a generic sense.
Ok. But regardless of how you use it geometry is still the cause.
> > > But there is a whole world of difference between
> > > your example and time. If we are both 50 yrs old and I travel near
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> What the hell is the matter with you. I'm just asking how time
> can slow down and what is the deeper mechanism.
What the hell is the matter with you. It has been explained the reason
different observers measure time differently is geometry. That is the
reason. You for some reason fail to even consider the possibility.
> You can't treat time as just some geometry.
You are confusing concepts in a most atrocious manner. No one claims time
is geometry (indeed the concept of time and geometry are incompatible
concepts like saying a length is geometry - geometries contain lengths - but
lengths are not geometry) - what is claimed is space-time events forms a
geometry (namely that of Minkowski space). And boosts (changes in
velocity ) correspond to hyperbolic rotations in such a space - see the
following http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March01/Carroll3/frames.html
under the heading of special relativity and flat space time.
> Time is obviously time. And if it involves geometry.
> Why does spacetime do that.
Space-time is the space of all space-time events. By the definition of
geometry is forms a geometry - that of Minnows space. You obviously have
grave difficulty with very fundamental concepts.
> If you want to hide the real explanation by flaming. Then f.ck off!!
If you do not what to learn basic concepts than you **** off.
Bill
> p6
p6 - 29 Jun 2005 04:42 GMT
> > > > > > > > > Your reasoning for such a statement would be greatly
> > > appreciated.
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>
> > p6
What I'm seeking to know is what is behind or the construtions of
the geometry of the Minkowsi space. M-theory says how there may
be as many as 11 dimensions and multi brane universes and our world
may be justa brane floating in a higher brane. As long as there
is no definite answer. You can't say the concept of Minkowski Space
is the final answer. Who knows, the Minkowski Space may be just
a programming from higher dimensions. When investigating abductees
many years back. Many reported encountering Nordics who can stop
time. This is what I mean that there is a hidden mechanism behind
the geometry where one can take advantage of without relativistic
time effect. It's like one can control time directly. Of course,
if you believe all UFOs are 100% hoaxes. Then Einstein Minkowsi
space is your final word. I ignore UFO stuff nowadays. But let's
be open minded about the many brane worlds being explored by
M-theorists.
p6
Bill Hobba - 29 Jun 2005 05:04 GMT
> > > > > > > > > > Your reasoning for such a statement would be greatly
> > > > appreciated.
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> What I'm seeking to know is what is behind or the construtions of
> the geometry of the Minkowsi space.
Since it is deduceable from the POR the answer is obvious - the POR.
Specifically it is the symmetries implied by the POR that is the reason.
> M-theory says how there may
> be as many as 11 dimensions and multi brane universes and our world
> may be justa brane floating in a higher brane.
So?
> As long as there is no definite answer. You can't say the concept of
Minkowski Space
> is the final answer.
The concept of Minkowski space is contained in and not contradicted by M
theory.
> Who knows, the Minkowski Space may be just
> a programming from higher dimensions.
It may be the result of stew colors cars as well.
> When investigating abductees
> many years back. Many reported encountering Nordics who can stop
> time.
It is well known the abductee phenomena is a modern variant of the ancient
phenomena of seeing angels and such.
> This is what I mean that there is a hidden mechanism behind
> the geometry where one can take advantage of without relativistic
> time effect. It's like one can control time directly. Of course,
> if you believe all UFOs are 100% hoaxes. Then Einstein Minkowsi
> space is your final word.
I never said it was the final word - I said its geometric properties
explained time dilation and the twin paradox.
Bill
> I ignore UFO stuff nowadays. But let's
> be open minded about the many brane worlds being explored by
> M-theorists.
>
> p6