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gsax - 23 Jul 2005 05:44 GMT
Hi

I read in some place that Maxwell assumed the existance of ether in
deriving his famous equations...

Is this correct? if yes, then were his derivations re-written after
Einstein killed the ether?

Also is there someplace I can get hold of his original paper in which
he(Maxwell)  assumes the presence of ether in deriving his equations?

thanks
Gsax
Paul Stowe - 23 Jul 2005 05:52 GMT
>Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Also is there someplace I can get hold of his original paper in which
>he(Maxwell)  assumes the presence of ether in deriving his equations?

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/Maxwell/maxwell_oplf.pdf

Paul Stowe
gsax - 23 Jul 2005 05:58 GMT
> >Also is there someplace I can get hold of his original paper in which
> >he(Maxwell)  assumes the presence of ether in deriving his equations?
>
> http://www.vacuum-physics.com/Maxwell/maxwell_oplf.pdf

thanks for the link,
Gsax
The Ghost In The Machine - 23 Jul 2005 17:00 GMT
In sci.physics, Paul Stowe
<ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net>
wrote
on Sat, 23 Jul 2005 04:52:28 GMT
<ddi3e193sdnaf3rhdsefjndus2b2j14qv1@4ax.com>:

>>Hi
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>  Paul Stowe

Interesting.  Is there a copy of this which has been
transcribed into HTML or PDF as text and illustrations,
as opposed to what appears to be captured by either a
copier or scanner and reproduced as a series of bitmaps?
Equation 165, for instance, got rather muddled.

Also, small bits of the text got chopped off on some of the
pages (e.g., the first page has something).

Signature

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It's still legal to go .sigless.

FrediFizzx - 23 Jul 2005 20:19 GMT
| In sci.physics, Paul Stowe
| <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
| Also, small bits of the text got chopped off on some of the
| pages (e.g., the first page has something).

It is being very slowly worked on.  ;-)  Care to volunteer some time to
compare the new Word document to the original and make corrections?  I
am about half-way thru the first part of four parts.  ;-)

FrediFizzx

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
FrediFizzx - 24 Jul 2005 04:57 GMT
| In sci.physics, Paul Stowe
| <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
| copier or scanner and reproduced as a series of bitmaps?
| Equation 165, for instance, got rather muddled.

Man, you are a fast reader; already to the last equation!  I have in the
Word doc for eq. 165,

theta = 90deg(r mu i Z z/(sqrt(pi) s^3/2 Lambda^2 V))

FrediFizzx

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
The Ghost In The Machine - 24 Jul 2005 07:00 GMT
In sci.physics, FrediFizzx
<fredifizzx@hotmail.com>
wrote
on Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:57:08 -0700
<3kgho9Ftqk8cU1@individual.net>:
> | In sci.physics, Paul Stowe
> | <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> theta = 90deg(r mu i Z z/(sqrt(pi) s^3/2 Lambda^2 V))

(grin)

Actually, I was just skimming over the stuff.  I'd have to wade
through it to really understand it in gory detail.

Interesting stuff, though.

> FrediFizzx
>
> http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
> or postscript
> http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps

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FrediFizzx - 24 Jul 2005 08:18 GMT
| In sci.physics, FrediFizzx
| <fredifizzx@hotmail.com>
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
|
| Interesting stuff, though.

Yep, pretty intense.  Not something I expected for a paper from 1861.
;-)  I am only thru 1/2 of the first part intense studying-wise.  If you
run across any more muddled equations or words that you are interested
in, send me an email.  My email address is good and I can look them up
in the Word doc which is mostly correct I hope.  Did you find where he
derives the speed of light yet?

The original scans: courtesy of Paul Stowe, compilation of the single
page PDF's to a single PDF file: courtesy of Timo Nieminen, Word doc via
Word Perfect doc:  courtesy of Barry Mingst aka greywolf42.  One of
these years I will finish checking the Word doc and post a PDF of it.
Promise. ;-)  Actually, I believe Barry posted most of the entire text
(no equations) to the newsgroups.  You should be able to find it via
googlegroup search.

FrediFizzx

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
nightbat - 24 Jul 2005 11:11 GMT
nightbat wrote

> >Hi
> >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>  Paul Stowe

nightbat

       Thanks Paul for your Professor Maxwell paper link and forwarded
to alt.astronomy and Officer oc for his examination on theoretical basis
for referred mathematical based equations as applied to a medium and
referenced pressure or tension deductions.

       ponder on,
       the nightbat
Double-A - 24 Jul 2005 13:59 GMT
> nightbat wrote
>
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>         ponder on,
>         the nightbat

Thanks nightbat, and Paul.

This is a good reference.

This is one of Maxwell's earlier papers.

As far as I know, the only rewriting was to put Maxwell's equations
into vector notation.

Double-A
nightbat - 24 Jul 2005 14:51 GMT
nightbat wrote

> > nightbat wrote
> >
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> Double-A

nightbat

       Yes, this paper is a profound work of incredible importance. The
one I can surmise that Dr. Tesla used to derived his wireless invention
foundations. The Paper also has references to Officer oc's for Wolter's
perceived hydrostatic pressure of the medium. This Maxwell reference
before the null physical MM experiment and quantum theory. Maxwell
speaks mechanically of the visualization of invisible smaller wheels
acting as mediators between the larger visual macro mass ones. Brilliant
evaluation of the background field as it relates to electronic cohesion,
electricity wave basis, magnetic correlation's, and field tension or
pressure. I now have a clearer picture of original basis of Tesla's
energy understanding of the medium for he made it a habit of reading
anything and everything connected to it. It affirms my base field theory
and I am satisfied that this great theorist perceived it way back when
too. Much can be ascertained from this great work. The breath of it is
unimaginable for how advanced it was for its time. Most of the greats
and foundation mathematicians are referred in it or actually cited.

        ponder on,
        the nightbat
Paul Stowe - 24 Jul 2005 15:23 GMT
>> nightbat wrote
>>
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>
> This is one of Maxwell's earlier papers.

His foundational paper.  He wrote an earlier, developmental version
in 1855? called "On Faraday's Lines of Force" but this one completed
this.

Note Figure 2 on the sheet following page 348, Part I.  Then note
the petri dish photograph of exactly this pattern established
exactly as predicted by Maxwell.  See:

http://www.oregonbd.org/Class/Mod2.htm

These should be called Maxwell's Cells NOT Raleigh-Benard cells
since, a far as I can determine, Maxwell was the first one to
predict there pattern (Hexagonal) and existence.
 

> As far as I know, the only rewriting was to put Maxwell's equations
> into vector notation.

Tell this to Hobba...  He seems to think that re-interpretation
somehow = re-writing...

Paul stowe
Bilge - 23 Jul 2005 08:12 GMT
gsax:
>Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Is this correct? if yes, then were his derivations re-written after
>Einstein killed the ether?

 Sure. Write down the dirac lagrangian:

 L = \Psibar(p/ - m)\Psi

   p/ == \gamma^u p_u, where the \gamma^u are dirac matrices.

 Require that to be locally gauge invariant, i.e., invariant under
the change of phase, \Psi -> \Psi' = \Psi\exp(-iS), where S == S(x^u)
is a function of the spacetime variables, x^u. Then, since p_u = id_u,
(I've set \hbar = 1, since it isn't relevant here), where d_u == d/dx^u.
Then, the new lagrangian,

 L' = \Psibar'(i\gamma^u d_u - m)\Psi'

will contain an additional term due to the derivative:

 L' = \Psibar(i\gamma^u d_u - m)\Psi + \Psibar\gamma^u\psi d_u S

We can, however, define a gauge covariant derivative, D_u = d_u + ieA_u,
such that it cancels the additional term (noether's theorem). This
gives us the gauge covariant dirac lagrangian:

 L = \Psibar'(i\gamma^u D_u - m)\Psi'

 To obtain maxwell's equations, one now just takes the commutator
of the covariant derivatives:

 [D_u, D_v] = [d_u + ieA_u, d_v + ieA_v]

            = (d_u + ieA_u)(d_v + ieA_v) - (d_v + ieA_v)( d_u + ieA_u)

 Most of the terms cancel leaving just the faraday tensor:

  F_uv  = ie (d_u A_v - d_v A_u)

Maxwell's equations in manifestly covariant form are then the
equations d_u F^uv = j^v, where j^v is the four-vector current
j^v = (\rho, J). That can be separated into the inhomogeneous
maxwell equations.

>Also is there someplace I can get hold of his original paper in which
>he(Maxwell)  assumes the presence of ether in deriving his equations?

 Probably, but the theory wasn't physically viable.

 
Chris - 23 Jul 2005 09:53 GMT
His idea was orinially based on an aether consisting of springs and wieghts
to get his ideas in place.

The abstract form used things like the dispacement current (dD/dt) taken
from electrostatics and the current loop from current electricity.

It is of course rubbish, because there is no magnetic field, but it works
(just).  The photon model is the better model as it fits better with quantum
mechanics.  The amplitude of EMR being the number of photons and the energy
is given by the planc law E=hf.

In this way you sidestep arguments about radiation and particles.  An
accelerating electron changes its energy in quanta and emits a photon each
time with an enrgy given by E=hf.  The energy change of the Electron (even
in a radio transmitter) is given by quantum mechanics.  Many electrons mean
many photons and one electron in the atenna of the transmitter connects to
one electron in the atenna of the reciever by the photon with is the
imaginary connector.  In reality it is a quantum mechanical connection like
a fyneman diagram.

Phumph has spoke!

Chris.
> Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> thanks
> Gsax
Martin Hogbin - 23 Jul 2005 14:51 GMT
> The abstract form used things like the dispacement current (dD/dt) taken
> from electrostatics and the current loop from current electricity.
>
> It is of course rubbish, because there is no magnetic field, but it works
> (just).

That is a bit hard on a theory that has revolutionised human life.

Martin Hogbin
sue jahn - 23 Jul 2005 16:36 GMT
> > The abstract form used things like the dispacement current (dD/dt) taken
> > from electrostatics and the current loop from current electricity.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Martin Hogbin

Terrorist attacks and Hitler's reign have revolutionised human life too.
Can we use your logic  to go easy on the little fellers and perhaps
carve some of their philosophy on one face of the Great Pyramid of
Giza?

<<... we could say that our classical theory of electromagnetism
breaks down on very small length-scales due to quantum effects.
Unfortunately, the quantum mechanical version of electromagnetism
(quantum electrodynamics, or QED, for short) suffers from the
same infinities in the self-energies of particles as the classical
version. There is a prescription, called renormalization, for
steering round these infinities, and getting finite answers which
agree with experiments to extraordinary accuracy. However,
nobody really understands why this prescription works. The
problem of the infinite self-energies of elementary charged
particles is still unresolved. >>
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node56.html

:o)
Sue...
Martin Hogbin - 23 Jul 2005 22:50 GMT
> > > The abstract form used things like the dispacement current (dD/dt) taken
> > > from electrostatics and the current loop from current electricity.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Terrorist attacks and Hitler's reign have revolutionised human life too.

Not nearly as much as electromagnetism.

> Can we use your logic...

Not my logic, your rather warped logic.

Martin Hogbin
sue jahn - 23 Jul 2005 11:32 GMT
> Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> thanks
> Gsax

Before formulating field equations it is helpful to study where
Maxwell could have ... ahhh "done better" :o)
<<
76. A. K. T. Assis and K. H. Wiederkehr, "Weber quoting Maxwell,"
56. A. K. T. Assis, "The meaning of the constant c in Weber's electrodynamics,"
36. A. K. T. Assis, "Gravitation as a fourth order electromagnetic effect,"
55. A. K. T. Assis and H. Torres Silva, "Comparison between Weber's
    electrodynamics and classical electrodynamics,"
72. A. K. T. Assis, "On the first electromagnetic measurement of the
    velocity of light by Wilhelm Weber and Rudolf Kohlrausch," >>
http://www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis/wpapers.htm

http://tw.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0506181 Darwin
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204034 Coulomb gauge

Advanced potential:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22advanced+potential%22+green&btnG=Search

Sue...
Uncle Al - 23 Jul 2005 17:51 GMT
> Hi
>
>  I read in some place that Maxwell assumed the existance of ether in
> deriving his famous equations...

Interconnected cogs were the mechanical analogy he used.  Look it up.
Nobody is keeping it a secret.

> Is this correct? if yes, then were his derivations re-written after
> Einstein killed the ether?

Maxwell's equations are covariant right out of the box.  When the
thing was completed the aether had vanished, like balancing a
checkbook.  Debits and credits mutually cancelled.

> Also is there someplace I can get hold of his original paper in which
> he(Maxwell)  assumes the presence of ether in deriving his equations?

Library.  Big rooms filled with books.  Maxwell is late 1800s, and
that is sufficiently contemporary for complete archives and learned
commentaries.

http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/

Signature

Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf

Bill Hobba - 24 Jul 2005 00:14 GMT
> Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Also is there someplace I can get hold of his original paper in which
> he(Maxwell)  assumes the presence of ether in deriving his equations?

You already had a reply from bilge explaining the modern view from local
gauge invariance.  The following also explores it -
http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/DBailey/SubAtomic/Lectures/LectF1
3/Lect13.htm

Also it can be derived from Coulombs law and SR -
http://www.cse.secs.oakland.edu/haskell/SpecialRelativity.htm

Thanks
Bill

> thanks
> Gsax
Paul Stowe - 24 Jul 2005 02:07 GMT
>> Hi
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Also it can be derived from Coulombs law and SR -
>http://www.cse.secs.oakland.edu/haskell/SpecialRelativity.htm

Let the original poster note, you did not address, or answer, any
of his original questions.

Note: Question 1,

 "I read in some place that Maxwell assumed the existance of
  ether in deriving his famous equations...  Is this correct?

Answer, definitely yes...

Question 2,

 "If yes, then were his derivations re-written after Einstein killed
  the ether?"

Answer No, they are still classically formulated.  However, modern
treatments no longer use his original quaternion format...

Question 3,

 "Also is there someplace I can get hold of his original paper in
  which he(Maxwell)  assumes the presence of ether in deriving his
  equations?"

Answer, Link previously given...

Talk about avoidance & double talk, sheez

Paul Stowe
Bill Hobba - 24 Jul 2005 03:10 GMT
> >> Hi
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>  Let the original poster note, you did not address, or answer, any
>  of his original questions.

I answered:

'If yes, then were his derivations re-written after Einstein killed the
ether?'.  Is simple English comprehension beyond you?

Bill

>  Note: Question 1,
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
>  Paul Stowe
Bilge - 25 Jul 2005 01:39 GMT
Paul Stowe:

> Question 2,
>
>  "If yes, then were his derivations re-written after Einstein killed
>   the ether?"
>
> Answer No,

 Obviousy you are wrong, since I just demonstrated such a derivation
from a theory that predicts electromagnetic effects that cannot be
obtained from maxwell's equations.

>         they are still classically formulated.  However, modern

 I just formulated them using relativistic quantum mechanics.


> treatments no longer use his original quaternion format...
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Talk about avoidance & double talk, sheez

 As opposed to blatantly false statements you made above?
markwh04@yahoo.com - 29 Jul 2005 20:44 GMT
>  I read in some place that Maxwell assumed the existance of ether in
> deriving his famous equations...

Why not just read the Treatise, itself?

> Is this correct? if yes, then were his derivations re-written after
> Einstein killed the ether?

Maxwell explicitly set out in the Treatise that everything set out in
it was to remain neutral with regard to the issue of whether the vacuum
was actually a vacuum or a plenum.

"Aether" is not used by Maxwell.  His theory has little or nothing to
do with anything that goes under the name "aether".  The underlying
theory (which he set out to remain neutral with regard to in all
sections following) was explicitly set out in chapter 1: it stated that
the vacuum is a dielectric capable of polarization (i.e. vacuum
polarization) and in which charge screening will take place to smear
out point source infinities (as explicitly pointed out in sections with
titles like "why there are no infinite point or line sources").

The equations don't come from anything.  They're a formulation of the
empirical laws that had been gathered to that time -- plus the element
of linking up the material current into a "total current" with the
latter including a contribution from the field (explained in virtue of
the vacuum being a dielectric), and satisfying the continuity law.

As he pointed out, the issue of what (if anything) comprises the vacuum
is left unresolved.

What you're calling "aether" is a laymanizing of a complex of unrelated
ideas that have little to do with the latter-day revisionistic
accounting of Maxwell.  One of those ideas in the complex is the
natural frame of reference associated with the vacuum.

The one thing Maxwell DID derive based on THAT idea was the particular
form of the constitutive relations, which in modern notation would have
read:
                  D = epsilon_0 (E + G x B)
where G is the velocity relative to the frame defined by the vacuum.
(The corresponding relation for B and H would therefore read B = mu_0
(H - G x D), which was briefly mentioned in the Dover edition of the
treatise).

This, however, is, in fact, NOT what is currently known as Maxwell's
theory -- which has, instead, the constitutive relations
              D = epsilon_0 E; B = mu_0 H.
(Which comes from Lorentz).

In fact, THIS discrepancy was what Eintein was referring specifically
to 100 years ago when recounting the recent developments of the theory.
Einstein's reference to "aether" was actually the reference to
Maxwell's G.  The point made is that -- after finishing out the
analysis of the behavior of the field under a change of frame of
reference (an analysis which Maxwell only half-carried out in the
Treatise, and the incompleteness of which represents a serious gaping
hole in the treatise); if one assumes the Lorentz relations are valid
-- as they are empirically -- instead of the "aether frame" relations
involving G, then the whole need for G is gone and we're back to all
frames being equivalent.

The two theories
              D = epsilon_0 (E + G x B); B = mu_0 (H - G x D)
vs.
              D = epsilon_0 E; B = mu_0 H
are NOT empirically equivalent.  The former -- which is the one which
would be invariant under Galilean Relativity and true if Newtonian
Physics were true -- is seriously out of kilter with the reality.
Swimming pools, for instance, would probably start to assume weird
colorations because of the dependence of D on B.  The latter -- which
is the one invariant under Poincare' Relativity and true if Special
Relativity holds -- is the ones you actually see.  Hence, no "aether
frame".

The idea of a frame and a G, nonetheless, returns in a different guise.
If the vacuum, itself, is a thermal state (as it clear is, since outer
space has a non-zero temperature of 3 degrees kelvin filled with the
CMB thermal radiation), then there IS, in fact, a natural velocity, G,
associated with it and a natural frame ... since every thermal state
identifies a natural frame of reference.

So, the whole notion of "aether frame" turns out to be a complete red
herring, completely ORTHOGONAL to any questions about Galilean vs.
Poincare' Relativity.  It has nothing to do with nothing, since it
applies or can apply equally in both settings.
sue jahn - 28 Jul 2005 21:31 GMT
> >  I read in some place that Maxwell assumed the existance of ether in
> > deriving his famous equations...
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> latter including a contribution from the field (explained in virtue of
> the vacuum being a dielectric)

Maxwell used Weber's   values for propagation along a wire in
free space where no material  entity to support t permeability
exist.

This is in effect the assumption of an ether and is well represented
by the need to assume retarded potential.

Your account below of how Einsten approached the problem
and comments and references about modern interpretations of epsion and
mu should be helpful to many.

Sue...

, and satisfying the continuity law.

> As he pointed out, the issue of what (if anything) comprises the vacuum
> is left unresolved.
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
> Poincare' Relativity.  It has nothing to do with nothing, since it
> applies or can apply equally in both settings.
FrediFizzx - 30 Jul 2005 05:17 GMT
| >  I read in some place that Maxwell assumed the existance of ether in
| > deriving his famous equations...
|
| Why not just read the Treatise, itself?

Because the "Treatise" is not when or where he did the "derivation".  It
was in "On Physical Lines of Force".

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/Maxwell/maxwell_oplf.pdf

| > Is this correct? if yes, then were his derivations re-written after
| > Einstein killed the ether?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
| "Aether" is not used by Maxwell.  His theory has little or nothing to
| do with anything that goes under the name "aether".

Someone has not read "On Physical Lines of Force".  He certainly used it
before the "Treatise".  IMHO, his model foreshadowed the quantum
"vacuum".

FrediFizzx

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
sue jahn - 29 Jul 2005 07:20 GMT
> | >  I read in some place that Maxwell assumed the existance of ether in
> | > deriving his famous equations...
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> before the "Treatise".  IMHO, his model foreshadowed the quantum
> "vacuum".

Then you can probably explain why we always measure magnetic
field attenuation as 1/d^3 and electric field attenuation as 1/d^2
but these to two curve converge to the same value.
http://www.conformity.com/0102reflectionsfig3.gif From
http://www.conformity.com/0102reflections.html

Sue...

> FrediFizzx
>
> http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
> or postscript
> http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
FrediFizzx - 30 Jul 2005 07:42 GMT
| > | >  I read in some place that Maxwell assumed the existance of ether in
| > | > deriving his famous equations...
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
|
| Sue...

Ever heard of a dipole?  Imagine what a photon might "see".

FrediFizzx

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
sue jahn - 29 Jul 2005 08:09 GMT
> | "FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3l0d5sF107kctU1@individual.net...
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> Ever heard of a dipole?

Yes
<< Imagine what a photon might "see".>>

I suppose they see faires.
Do any of them wear glasses? :o)

No need to imagine. We have measurements.
That is what those rooms with carbon egg crates on
the wall are for.
<< Note that the equations define the boundary in wavelengths,
implying that the boundary moves in space with the frequency
of the antenna's emissions. Judging from available literature,
the distance where the 1/r and 1/r2 terms are equal is the most
commonly quoted near-field/far-field boundary. This result may
seem to wrap up the problem rather nicely. Unfortunately, the
boundary definition in reality isn't this straightforward. Examine
Table 1, which contains a large set of far-field definitions from
the literature. It's disconcerting to first make a point with a
simple mathematical derivation, only to have reality disprove
the theory.>>
http://www.edn.com/article/CA150828.html

Better graphics if you download:
http://www.edn.com/contents/images/150828.pdf

Sue...

> FrediFizzx
>
> http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
> or postscript
> http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
 
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