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francisco - 24 Aug 2005 00:27 GMT
God is that which defies the second law of thermodynamics
Robert Kolker - 24 Aug 2005 01:05 GMT
> God is that which defies the second law of thermodynamics

Why are you posting this to a physics news group.

Do you have any experimental data indicating such a second law defying
entity exists? If you don't then spare us the nonsense.

Bob Kolker
Androcles - 24 Aug 2005 21:27 GMT
| > God is that which defies the second law of thermodynamics
|
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|
| Bob Kolker

Of course he does, gods can do anything they like, they are
supernatural.
They can make omens, rainbows, lightning strikes, earthquakes,
volcanoes,
flood the Earth with rain then put all the water back in the sky, just
ask that
guy that built a farm on a boat.
What's a little f.cking with the second law of thermodynamics matter
to them?
Anything he says will be his evidence, so there, nah nah na na nah.
Androcles
Henry Haapalainen - 24 Aug 2005 23:00 GMT
Big Bang is a theory creation, literally.

Henry Haapalainen

> | > God is that which defies the second law of thermodynamics
> |
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> Anything he says will be his evidence, so there, nah nah na na nah.
> Androcles
Androcles - 24 Aug 2005 23:01 GMT
| Big Bang is a theory creation, literally.

| Henry Haapalainen

Sure.... and you are top posting.
Androcles

| > | > God is that which defies the second law of thermodynamics
| > |
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| > Anything he says will be his evidence, so there, nah nah na na nah.
| > Androcles
Henry Haapalainen - 24 Aug 2005 23:20 GMT
> | Big Bang is a theory creation, literally.

Let's try again: ... theory of creation.

> | Henry Haapalainen
>
> Sure.... and you are top posting.
> Androcles

Meaning what? Are you Bill Hobba? I think you are.

Henry Haapalainen

> | > | > God is that which defies the second law of thermodynamics
> | > |
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> | > Anything he says will be his evidence, so there, nah nah na na nah.
> | > Androcles
Androcles - 24 Aug 2005 23:21 GMT
| > | Big Bang is a theory creation, literally.
|
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|
| Meaning what?

Meaning that you have put your reply at the top of the text
you are referring to, that's all. It's not a god damned sin, just bad
form.

Are you Bill Hobba? I think you are.

| Henry Haapalainen

LOL! That idiot is a relativist. He'd have never have written this:

On the court docket, Science v Einstein.

Judge:
"The defendant stands before this court accused of fraud. How does the
defendant plead?"

Defense counsel:
"Not guilty, your honour."

Prosecution opens:
Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, good morning.

Please reference:  http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/

The first transformation we are given is the Galilean,

x' = x-vt
y = y
z = z
t = t

You have to agree with that, Einstein states:

"If we place x'=x-vt, it is clear that a point at rest in the system k
must have a system of values x', y, z, independent of time."

We have completed the transform from the stationary system, K, to the
moving system which I'm going to name k' because Einstein doesn't give
it a name.

"Objection! cries defense counsel.

"Yes?" asks the judge.

"Prosecuting counsel is making up names!" exclaims defense counsel,
"my client has already named the moving system 'k'."

"Why have you changed the name from k to k'?", the judge asks
prosecuting counsel.

Your honour, the name kappa (k) refers to the system of values xi, eta,
zeta, tau which are dependent upon velocity according to the accused
and should not be confused with the system of values x',y,z,t. I merely
chose a suitable name. If the court directs me to use another, I shall
abide by the court's wishes.

"Overruled, it is clear that Einstein gave no name to the system of
values x', y, z and I see no reason why prosecuting counsel should not
do so, do not waste the court's time on trivialities or I shall hold you
in contempt", says the judge.

Prosecution continues.

Applying the Galilean function g(),

For all x in K, x' in k', (x',y,z,t)  = g(x,y,z,t).

It is clear, so ist klar, in agreement with experience, it being
immediately apparent and because Einstein says so,
a point at rest in system k' is independent of time.

There can be no function f such that x' = f(t), the judge's bench
will be the same length tomorrow as it is today. Hence there can
be no inverse function t = f^-1(x').

"Objection" cries the defense council.

"Shut up...err...overruled", says the judge, "I've heard this before in
another case. Don't make me hold you in contempt of Mathematics"

Defense council sits, looking sheepish.

Prosecution continues:

We have now completed the transformation from K to k' with the function
g, and can place system K on the back burner.

Now we come to the defendant's transformation. Not Lorentz's,
not Galileo's, but Einstein's own.

For all x in k', xi in kappa, (xi, eta, zeta, tau) = cuckoo(x',y,z,t)

We have a second transformation from the moving system k' to the
moving system kappa.

Einstein would have you believe that

tau = cuckoo_tau(g(x,y,z,t))
xi = cuckoo_xi(g(x,y,z,t))

is called the "Lorentz transformation".

I call it the cuckoo transformation, there is no relative motion between
k' and kappa, the time in k' has been found to be x'/(c-v) and x'/(c+v),
admitted by the defendant in his signed statement: "But the ray moves
relatively to the initial point of k, when measured in the stationary
system,
with the velocity c-v, so that x'/(c-v) = t."

"Objection!" cries the defense counsel, "it is universally known that
the velocity of light is c in all inertial frames of reference! It is a
postulate and the basis of my client's theory."

"How say you to that?", asks the judge of the prosecutor.

I can only ask the court's indulgence and request the defense counsel
produce the relevant passage in the evidence before the court, your
honour. The document referred to is "On the Electrodynamics of
Moving Bodies", the author being the defendant, and that authorship
has been stipulated to by both parties.

"The court will recess for lunch", say the judge, "I  shall conduct a
computerized search for the term "inertial" in the relevant document.

============Lunch break=============

The clerk cries "Be upstanding in court!" and the judge seats himself.

"I find no reference to defense counsel's claim, the objection is
overruled".

Thank you, your honour. As  I was saying:

I call it the cuckoo transformation, there is no relative motion between
k' and kappa, the time in k' has been found to be x'/(c-v) and x'/(c+v),
admitted by the defendant in his statement: "But the ray moves
relatively
to the initial point of k, when measured in the stationary system, with
the velocity c-v, so that x'/(c-v) = t".

The only purpose to the function cuckoo_tau is to satisfy Einstein's
fraudulent whim,

"we establish by definition that the "time" required by light to travel
from A to B equals the "time" it requires to travel from B to A."

Thus it cannot be that x'/(c-v) = x'/(c+v).

As Counsel for the Physicists, I rest my case.

As Counsel for the Mathematicians, we have yet to prove that cuckoo_tau
is not a linear function.

"Objection!" screams the defense, prosecuting counsel is attempting
to prejudice the jury with the use of the word "cuckoo"!

"Sustained", says the judge, " the term 'cuckoo' will be stricken from
the record and the jury is instructed to disregard it."

Sidebar conference is requested by the prosecutor, jury is removed
from the court.

Prosecutor:
Your honour,
Einstein read "Time Machine" by H.G. Wells as a teenager, it was a
current best seller at the time.  He became a clerk in the Swiss Patent
Office, saw many patent applications for cuckoo clocks, the main
industry of Switzerland in 1900-1905.
Not too many patents for chocolate or cheese were needed.
He got a hard-on... err... erection for time. The rest of us prefer
women, time is a fetish.

"I'm  sustaining the objection",says the judge, "that is conjecture".

As the court pleases. (Prosecutor bows before the judge)

Jury is brought back, prosecution continues:

Here is that proof:

½[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] = tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))
(given)

Juror passes a note to the judge via the bailiff. The note reads
"I don't understand this stuff, that equation is too long."

Judge: "The court should recess for 10 minutes."

==========ten minute recess =======

Prosecution continues:

Doubling both sides:
tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v)) = 2 * tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))

Taking out the t for 3:00pm on a Friday afternoon:

tau(0,0,0,0)+tau(0,0,0,x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v)) = 2 * tau(x',0,0,x'/(c-v))

Synchronize clocks at t = 0, tau(0,0,0,0) = 0, we remove tau(0,0,0,0)+

tau(0,0,0,x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v)) = 2 * tau(x',0,0,x'/(c-v))

There is no relative motion between k' and kappa, the coordinate x'
is independent of time. We do not have xi = x'-ut or x' = x'+ut or
any other function xi = fuckup(x') for Lorentz's sake, there is n...

"Objection to 'fuckup' ", says defense counsel,  "it's not nice"

"Overruled".

As I was saying, there is no relative motion between k' and kappa,
the coordinate x' is independent of time. We do not have xi = x'-ut
or x' = x'+ut or any other function xi = fuckup(x') for Lorentz's
sake, there is no u, v, w or velocity between system k' and system
kappa.
The time at point zero is the same time at x', same at xi;
no translation between stationary and movng frames, this is the
moving frame only, the stationary frame K is simmering on the back
burner.

Hence:

tau(x',0,0,x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v)) = 2 * tau(x',0,0,x'/(c-v)) =
tau(0,0,0,x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v)) = 2 * tau(0,0,0,x'/(c-v)) =
tau(a,b,c,x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v)) = 2 * tau(a,b,c,x'/(c-v)),
the coordinate x' has no effect upon the time and is independent
of time, the time is independent of the coordinate. Were it not so,
the time at the front of the moving train, an example the defendant
uses in another document, would differ from the back of th...."

"Objection!", interjects defense counsel, "that document is not
in evidence before the court".

"I can produce it if necessary", says the prosecutor, but I'll withdraw
the statement".

"Objection sustained, the reference to a train will be stricken from
the record", orders the judge. "Continue with the mathemetics,
trains are physical and you rested on that."

My apology to the court. Let me reiterate, time is independent of
the coordinate. I have NOT stated that time was independent of velocity,
that is for the jury to decide.

Removing the superfluous coordinates:

tau(x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v)) = 2 * tau(x'/(c-v))

Setting the time a = x'/(c-v) and b =x'/(c+v) for clarity:

tau(a+b) = 2*tau(a)

Renaming tau as f,

f(a+b) = 2f(a) or

½f(a+b) = f(a)

Chosing a > b, we have an example

½f(1+0) = f(1)

"In the first place it is clear that the equations must be linear
on account of the properties of homogeneity which we attribute to
space and time." -- Albert Phuckwit/Huckster Einstein.

In the second place tau is not a linear function. -- Androcles.

In the third place there are no coordinates to transform.

In the fourth place you've been had!

I ask the jury to convict Einstein on the charge of fraud.

Prosecution reserves the right to cross-examine the witnesses.

I now rest my case as a mathematician also.

Prosecution counsel whispers to his learned colleague,
"I'd enter him an insanity plea if I were you, he's going down".

Counsel for the defense has the floor.

Androcles

| > | > | > God is that which defies the second law of thermodynamics
| > | > |
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| > | > Anything he says will be his evidence, so there, nah nah na na nah.
| > | > Androcles
Bilge - 31 Aug 2005 03:45 GMT
 Q. What do you say to androsleaze when he's wearing a suit?

 A. Will the defendant please rise.

>The Court:
>"The defendant stands before this court in his orange jumpsuit,
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>"Usually by mooning the audience, my Lord. However, he has
>just decided to represent himself, so you'll have ask him."

>The Court:
>"Why is he wearing that silly wig?"

>Former Defense Counsel:
>"He claims to be an electrical engineer, my Lord."

>Defendant:
>"It also makes me look like Einstein and gives me special powers
>that show that 1 + 1 = 17 (and a-half, but I'm rounding down)."

>The Court:
>"OK. Then, I'm not even going to ask about tartan klan kilt and
>hot pink garters. Or the shoes."

>Prosecution:
>"I have decided to drop the terrorism charge. Although I believe
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>lips on the tail pipe. The dendant suffers from delusions of
>grandeur, but lacks the competence to realize his fantasies.

>Defendent:
>"It's all Einstein's fault. I'm an electrical engineer. I learned
>to balance my check book in _only_ 15 years, so Einstein's tricky
>algebra can't fool me."

>The Court:
>"The defendant has proven himself incompetent by his, ahem, stellar
>performance, here. However, his family is here to plead with us
>not to make an exception to law banning the death penalty:"

>Defendant's family:
>"Well, we don't claim that he's our father. Actually we're pretty
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>could ridicule him and gain some incentive to not follow in his
>footsteps."
RP - 31 Aug 2005 03:58 GMT
> | > | Big Bang is a theory creation, literally.
> |
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> the velocity of light is c in all inertial frames of reference! It is a
> postulate and the basis of my client's theory."

c-v is a closing velocity; the light is propagating at c wrt the rest
frame observer. The moving observer is moving at -v wrt to the rest
frame. The closing velocity of the light wrt the moving observer is c-v.
There is no contradiction, the light is propagating at c wrt both
observers, exactly as your second quoted premise states.

You're right, Hobba would never have posted such a distorted perception
of the theory.

Richard Perry

> "How say you to that?", asks the judge of the prosecutor.
>
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> nah.
> | > | > Androcles
George Hammond - 24 Aug 2005 04:28 GMT
>God is that which defies the second law of thermodynamics

At advanced level's the term "second law of thermodynamics"
refers to the phenomena of sodomy (whereas ordinary copulation
might be metaphorically callled the "first law of thermodynamics").
 The term "forbidden fruit" in the Bible, or the term "anointed one"
in the NT are likewise historical  references to sodomy.
  Since there is some suspicion that male homosexuality is connected
to this phenomena... there is likewise a suspicion that there is some
kind of "reverse psychology" in the human race.. extending even to
the primitive sexual level.  As you know homosexuality is one of the
most ubiquitous  and pervasive forces in human history and highly
controversial even today.  Therefore, the term "second law of
thermodynamics" is often used as a "code term" to discuss the subject
in front of inferiors when one doesn't want them to know what is being
discussed.
 I mention all of this simply because YOU have raised the possibility
of a connection between "God" and the "second law of thermodynamics".
"God" (it has been known for millenia by the upper classes) is a
psychological phenomena; recently discovered by Hammond to be
caused by the Secular Trend in human brain growth.
  Of course we all remember our college professor who used to quip
that "god is the maker of negative entropy"... but even he was unaware
of the larger historical meaning of the the phrase "second law of
thermodynamics".
  But anyway, please be aware that certain "scientific" terminology
has long been used by the intelligensia of the world to "code" many
of histories deepest psychological dilemmas... terms like
"the second law of thermodynamics"... and even terms like
"the Legendre transformation"... (cf. "gender transformation") in
certain circles.

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JanPB - 24 Aug 2005 04:38 GMT
ROTFL.

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Jan Bielawski
ianparker2@gmail.com - 24 Aug 2005 17:22 GMT
>At advanced level's the term "second law of thermodynamics"
>refers to the phenomena of sodomy (whereas ordinary copulation
>might be metaphorically callled the "first law of thermodynamics").

Ordeals were usually performed on the hands. An exception  to this was
Edward II, who had the red hot poker. There is some doubt as to the
nature of his relationship with Piers Gaveston. There is doubt as to
whether he was gay. It is claimed that Edward III was Mortimer's child,
this has never been proved. There is one historian who claims he in
fact escaped from Berkely Castle

The 2nd law of thermodynamics defines the arrow of time, I can see
where the introducer was coming from. This would however be more a
definition of a Tao or timeline than of God.
VizantOr* - 30 Aug 2005 16:21 GMT
God ?
Dieu ?
Bog ?
N'zame ?

Deus...

+ http://www.chez.com/burovac/12307/0024.pdf
BernardZ - 24 Aug 2005 09:44 GMT
> God is that which defies the second law of thermodynamics

This can happen locally by shear random chance.

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