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Dumb(Probably obvious) Light Speed Question

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avcrow@yahoo.com - 30 Sep 2005 02:10 GMT
Hi, I have a quick question. Forgive my ignorance. I had originally
typed up a big question, but I'll just make it simple so I don't lead
anyone to one train of thought. What happens when a mirror is moving at
.5c from earth(ignoring rotation), and we are watching the mirror from
earth, what would the reflection be like? Theoretically of course.
Sue... - 30 Sep 2005 02:36 GMT
> Hi, I have a quick question. Forgive my ignorance. I had originally
> typed up a big question, but I'll just make it simple so I don't lead
> anyone to one train of thought. What happens when a mirror is moving at
> .5c from earth(ignoring rotation), and we are watching the mirror from
> earth, what would the reflection be like? Theoretically of course.

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Sue...
avcrow@yahoo.com - 30 Sep 2005 04:49 GMT
Well, I hadn't thought about the fact that mirror tyoe could affect the
outcome, although it seems obvious now, a friend has been arguing with
me about this so...for the sake of science lets say a "perfect" mirror.
However, how do these mirrors affect the speed of the light being
reflected? Lots? A little? (Relatively speaking).
Sue... - 30 Sep 2005 05:27 GMT
> Well, I hadn't thought about the fact that mirror tyoe could affect the
> outcome, although it seems obvious now,

Most folks don't.

> a friend has been arguing with
> me about this so...for the sake of science lets say a "perfect" mirror.

That would be a dielectric mirror if we go purely on the way
that MIT labels their work. :o)

> However, how do these mirrors affect the speed of the light being
> reflected? Lots? A little? (Relatively speaking).

They affect it only a little and only in the nearfield, a
few wavelenghts from the mirror.
http://www.conformity.com/0102reflectionsfig3.gif

The reflection will be redder and each sucessive echo
will be longer. If that doesn't settle the issue,
then you might need to be give a few more details.

Sue...
Androcles - 30 Sep 2005 08:12 GMT
| Well, I hadn't thought about the fact that mirror tyoe could affect the
| outcome,

It doesn't.
Sue can't answer any question without referring to some irrelevant web
page,
then she doesn't read it herself.
Androcles

although it seems obvious now, a friend has been arguing with
| me about this so...for the sake of science lets say a "perfect" mirror.
| However, how do these mirrors affect the speed of the light being
| reflected? Lots? A little? (Relatively speaking).
Androcles - 30 Sep 2005 08:08 GMT
| Hi, I have a quick question. Forgive my ignorance. I had originally
| typed up a big question, but I'll just make it simple so I don't lead
| anyone to one train of thought. What happens when a mirror is moving at
| .5c from earth(ignoring rotation), and we are watching the mirror from
| earth, what would the reflection be like? Theoretically of course.

By the PoR, the Earth is moving away from the mirror.
Androcles.
Sue... - 30 Sep 2005 13:03 GMT
> | Hi, I have a quick question. Forgive my ignorance. I had originally
> | typed up a big question, but I'll just make it simple so I don't lead
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> By the PoR, the Earth is moving away from the mirror.

...and it seems to be traveling with company:
http://odin.gi.alaska.edu/FAQ/e2.gif

Sue...

> Androcles.
Androcles - 30 Sep 2005 14:34 GMT
| > | Hi, I have a quick question. Forgive my ignorance. I had originally
| > | typed up a big question, but I'll just make it simple so I don't lead
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
| ...and it seems to be traveling with company:
| http://odin.gi.alaska.edu/FAQ/e2.gif

I dunno what that hairy orange/black ball is, but:
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html

Androcles.

| Sue...
|
| > Androcles.
Dirk Van de moortel - 30 Sep 2005 13:40 GMT
> Hi, I have a quick question. Forgive my ignorance. I had originally
> typed up a big question, but I'll just make it simple so I don't lead
> anyone to one train of thought. What happens when a mirror is moving at
> .5c from earth(ignoring rotation), and we are watching the mirror from
> earth, what would the reflection be like? Theoretically of course.

If you would send out two light signals with 1 second
between them, then you would see the reflections with
(1+v/c)/(1-v/c) seconds between them, which, for your
v/c = 1/2, amounts to 3 seconds.
So the frequency of light would be divided by 3 and the
wavelength multiplied by 3.
Since the wavelengths of visible light lie somewhere
between 390 nm and 750 nm, we wouldn't see any of that
anymore. The only stuff we would be able to see in the
mirror, is the radiation we send out in the ultraviolet band
somewhere between 130 and 250 (and that also manages
to make its way through the atmosphere), because that
would be shifted right into our visible window.

Dirk Vdm
Dirk Van de moortel - 30 Sep 2005 13:41 GMT
> Hi, I have a quick question. Forgive my ignorance. I had originally
> typed up a big question, but I'll just make it simple so I don't lead
> anyone to one train of thought. What happens when a mirror is moving at
> .5c from earth(ignoring rotation), and we are watching the mirror from
> earth, what would the reflection be like? Theoretically of course.

If you would send out two light signals with 1 second
between them, then you would see the reflections with
(1+v/c)/(1-v/c) seconds between them, which, for your
v/c = 1/2, amounts to 3 seconds.
So the frequency of light would be divided by 3 and the
wavelength multiplied by 3.
Since the wavelengths of visible light lie somewhere
between 390 nm and 750 nm, we wouldn't see any of that
anymore. The only stuff we would be able to see in the
mirror, is the radiation we send out in the ultraviolet band
somewhere between 130 and 250 (and that also manages
to make its way through the atmosphere), because that
would be shifted right into our visible window.

Dirk Vdm
 
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