Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion Groups
Biology
BiologyBotanyMicrobiologyEntomologyEvolutionPaleontology
Chemistry
General ChemistryAnalytical ChemistryElectrochemistryOrganic Synthesis
Earth Science
GeologyMineralogyOceanographyMeteorologyEarthquakes
Physics
General PhysicsResearchRelativityParticle PhysicsElectromagnetismFusionOpticsAcousticsNew Theories

Natural Science Forum / Physics / Relativity / November 2005



Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Einstein Beyond Redemption

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
Pentcho Valev - 27 Nov 2005 14:03 GMT
Both the thermodynamics cult and the relativity cult have contributed
considerably to the destruction of human rationality. The former made
people repeat endlessly that everything in this world happens because
the entropy increases (see Von Neumann's revelation about entropy in
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00000313/ ), the latter forced
them to admire miracles such as time dilation, length contraction etc.
In this sense both cults are criminal. Yet Einstein and his sycophants
are unrivalled in their capacity to extract money from the process of
destruction:

http://www.detnews.com/2005/business/0507/24/D04-256983.htm
http://einsteinplag.tripod.com/intro.html
http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm

One day 20th century will be referred to as the Dark Ages in the
history of science.

Pentcho Valev
Jan Panteltje - 27 Nov 2005 16:31 GMT
>Both the thermodynamics cult and the relativity cult have contributed
>considerably to the destruction of human rationality. The former made
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>Pentcho Valev
Sure, any kid knows Einstein just was a math fiddler, he actually needed his
math teacher to do the homework for him....
Add some politics, him being Jewish at the right time, why do you think
he never came up with ANYTHING after he declared the photon a particle?
Trapped in his own trap. The claws that held him was fame and a Nobel.
It is all waves, see my posting: 'explaining the photo electric effect from
the wave perspective' in sci.physics some time ago.
Now HERE is real place were a mathematician could do some work, but then
math as to invent wormholes.. nah, math application to the real world,
THAT is what it is for.
In the mean time I am overjoyed with this website:
http://www.quantummatter.com
Look at the picture all the way at the bottom :-)
It is time we take the next step, and leave Einstein's illusions behind us,
and as humanity come back to sanity.
If he (Einstein) had been such a genius, why did he stay Jewish?
He would have realized 'god' is inside, a process inside you.
Then he would have been at least happy, and not not even wrong with the photon.


Androcles - 27 Nov 2005 23:15 GMT
>>Both the thermodynamics cult and the relativity cult have contributed
>>considerably to the destruction of human rationality. The former made
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> Then he would have been at least happy, and not not even wrong with the
> photon.

"This myth, obviously imitating our planetary system, was shown wrong by
quantum theory more than sixty years ago. For example in the hydrogen atom,
quantum theory predicts the electron presence as a symmetrical spherical
cloud around the proton.  Some physicists concluded that the point bits of
matter were still there, even though quantum theory contains no notion of
point particles. The old myth dies hard!"

How the hell does this stupid idiot manage to say that one guy's quantum
THEORY is shown to be wrong by another guy's quantum THEORY?
You are overjoyed by some vague drivel the clown claims to be shown by "some
physicists"?
You are very easily pleased.
Wit rating: dim
Androcles.
Bill Hobba - 27 Nov 2005 23:51 GMT
>>Both the thermodynamics cult and the relativity cult have contributed
>>considerably to the destruction of human rationality. The former made
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> his
> math teacher to do the homework for him....

Bunkum.  At age 15 he had a letter stating his math was already of
University caliber.

> Add some politics, him being Jewish at the right time, why do you think
> he never came up with ANYTHING after he declared the photon a particle?

You are obviously ignorant eg GR.  Great mathematicians like Hilbert freely
sated the physical ideas of GR were entirely due to Einstein.  Read Pias -
Subtle is the Lord then repost with citations baking up your rubbish.

Bill

> Trapped in his own trap. The claws that held him was fame and a Nobel.
> It is all waves, see my posting: 'explaining the photo electric effect
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Then he would have been at least happy, and not not even wrong with the
> photon.
Jan Panteltje - 28 Nov 2005 11:43 GMT
------------------?

>> Sure, any kid knows Einstein just was a math fiddler, he actually needed
>> his
>> math teacher to do the homework for him....
>
>Bunkum.  At age 15 he had a letter stating his math was already of
>University caliber.
1200$ gets you a PhD, much less a letter,

>> Add some politics, him being Jewish at the right time, why do you think
>> he never came up with ANYTHING after he declared the photon a particle?
>
>You are obviously ignorant eg GR.  Great mathematicians like Hilbert freely
>sated the physical ideas of GR were entirely due to Einstein.
You must be kidding right?
It is exactly tha tGR has NO physical mechanism.
It only strength would be its predictive power.
But hell you can do that with a lookup table too.
Bill Hobba - 29 Nov 2005 00:15 GMT
> ------------------?
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>>sated the physical ideas of GR were entirely due to Einstein.
> You must be kidding right?

Of course not.

> It is exactly tha tGR has NO physical mechanism.

You are obviously ignorant of very fundamental things. Stating that gravity
is space-time curvature is stating a physical mechanism - by which is meant
assumption A (gravity is space time curvature) implies B (eg the results of
the Pound Rebka experiment, the perihelion of mercury etc).  A physical
mechanism is not what physicists in the 19th century thought is was ie
something working according to a Newtonian mechanical model.

> It only strength would be its predictive power.
> But hell you can do that with a lookup table too.

Learn the basics of science then repost.

Bill
Jan Panteltje - 29 Nov 2005 13:16 GMT
>> It is exactly tha tGR has NO physical mechanism.
>
>You are obviously ignorant of very fundamental things.
Nope, not of the one that counts here, a physical mechanism.

>Stating that gravity
>is space-time curvature is stating a physical mechanism
Sorry, many people (victims of this education system perhaps), have
this type of brain damage.
MATH DOES NOT MOVE THE UNIVERSE, MATH IS AN ABSTRACTION IN THE NEURAL
NET THAT FORMS THE BRAIN, EVEN A PHYSICAL MODEL, SAME AS A SIMULATION
ON A COMPUTER.
So that were the caps, I payed for that caps lock key.

So- you can claim that space-time- or -oranges- or King Kong (2 caps )
causes gravity, it has no effect on anything (except your credibility,
but when we get that close to zero we can use 64 bit integers and be
done with 64 zeros).

True, I have a problem understanding something.
What I cannot understand is that you do not see this.

However in a wave model of the particles, we see each particle as an
interaction (forgot what the subject line was) with all other matter
in the universe (Mach).
This makes 100% sense.

- by which is meant
>assumption A (gravity is space time curvature) implies B (eg the results of
>the Pound Rebka experiment, the perihelion of mercury etc).
No, the formula matches the result, or the other way around, but you can also
do that with a lookup table.
It is the same thing as the 'mond' (I think it is called) theory,
'formula fiddling' to get the right result.. no mechanism.
Einstein did formula fiddling with GR.
He did it again with the photon as particle, then he locked himself out,
because photon is no particle in that sense, and his folly was taken over
by the education system, hammered into your kids head, and there made equal
to 'law of nature'.
Never even looking, never even seeing, YOU NEED A MECHANISM else you will
always wallow in the illusions of sqrt(1) imaginary worlds.

OK if humanity is THAT sort of species, and will stay that way, dinosaurs went
where it will go.
You have a brain, for Gods sake use it!
Harry - 28 Nov 2005 13:50 GMT
SNIP

> It is all waves, see my posting: 'explaining the photo electric effect from
> the wave perspective' in sci.physics some time ago.

Nice if it were so simple, but how do you explain Compton collision with a
wave?

Harald
Jan Panteltje - 28 Nov 2005 18:10 GMT
>SNIP
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Harald
?You mean Compton scattering? if all matter is made of waves
(sort of particles are standing waves), then that is also a wave - wave
interaction.
I am not explaining it, there are many guys here who are VERY good at math.
Maybe they should put some energy in that direction, and not into wormholes,
time travel, and other useless objects of the imagination.
Such as yet an other GR exercise.
Jan Panteltje - 28 Nov 2005 18:15 GMT
>>SNIP
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>time travel, and other useless objects of the imagination.
>Such as yet an other GR exercise.
Did I forget string theory? I did.
surrealistic-dream@hotmail.com - 28 Nov 2005 14:19 GMT
> Both the thermodynamics cult and the relativity cult have contributed
> considerably to the destruction of human rationality. The former made
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> http://www.detnews.com/2005/business/0507/24/D04-256983.htm
> http://einsteinplag.tripod.com/intro.html

In the above website we find:

In addition to the statement that Poincare sketched the preliminary
version of relativity is that he provided a critical part of the whole
concept, namely his treatment of local time. Charles Nordman was
prompted to say, "They will show that the credit for most of the things
which are currently attributed to Einstein is, in reality, due to
Poincare." "...in the opinion of the Relativists it is the measuring
rods which create space, the clocks which create time. All this was
known by Poincare and others long before the time of Einstein, and one
does injustice to truth in ascribing the discovery to him.

Valev just doesn't get science. He thinks that science is about
discoveries. It isn't. Science is about theories which lead to
discoveries and at the same time explain the discoveries, unifying then
into a concise theory. Discoveries are the threads; the theory is the
tapestry.

Poincare is to Einstein as Kepler is to Newton. Poincare and Kepler
made important discoveries but it was Einstein and Newton who
rightfully get the lion's share of credit because they came up with
workable theories that accounted for those discoveries. Theories are
the central concerns of scientists. Apparently this is not taught to
science students.

> One day 20th century will be referred to as the Dark Ages in the
> history of science.

Yes, it is the century that forgot to teach to students what science is
really all about.
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2009 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.