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FPS, CGS, MKS. ....NOW  it's MKW

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Henri Wilson - 27 Jan 2006 22:34 GMT
For navigational convenience, a new system of units is about to be introduced
to physics.

It will be known as the MKW system..... METRE, KILOGRAM, WILSON.

ONE 'WILSON' is defined as the absolute time taken for a GPS clock to make one
complete orbit.

Thus:
1 day  = 2 Wilsons.
43200 seconds = 1 Wilson.
1 LightWilson = 12947040000000 metres

The reason for this great scientific advance is that GPS clocks can be more
easily synched with both the other orbiting clocks and the ground clocks simply
by counting the number of ticks they emit per Wilson.  

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Bill Hobba - 28 Jan 2006 00:34 GMT
> For navigational convenience, a new system of units is about to be
> introduced
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>
> ONE 'WILSON' is defined as the absolute time

You wouldn't be trying to sneak in logically unsound definitions would you
Henri?  Since absolute time does not exist your definition is a crock.

Bill

> taken for a GPS clock to make one
> complete orbit.
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> HW.
> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
Henri Wilson - 28 Jan 2006 05:40 GMT
>> For navigational convenience, a new system of units is about to be
>> introduced
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>You wouldn't be trying to sneak in logically unsound definitions would you
>Henri?  Since absolute time does not exist your definition is a crock.

The period of any oscillator represents an interval of absolute time.

The problen is to maintain a constant oscillation.

GPS orbit are set very accurately...so they are the logical candidate for the
universal time standard unit, the 'Wilson'.


>Bill
>
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>> HW.
>> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

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Eric Gisse - 28 Jan 2006 00:36 GMT
> For navigational convenience, a new system of units is about to be introduced
> to physics.
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> easily synched with both the other orbiting clocks and the ground clocks simply
> by counting the number of ticks they emit per Wilson.

What happened to the three dimensions of time, Henri?

> HW.
> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
Henri Wilson - 28 Jan 2006 05:42 GMT
>> For navigational convenience, a new system of units is about to be introduced
>> to physics.
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>
>What happened to the three dimensions of time, Henri?

They are all expressed in Wilsons, pup.

Didn't you know that the width, height and depth of a hill can all be expressed
in the same unit, eg. metres.

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Eric Gisse - 28 Jan 2006 06:36 GMT
> >> For navigational convenience, a new system of units is about to be introduced
> >> to physics.
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> Didn't you know that the width, height and depth of a hill can all be expressed
> in the same unit, eg. metres.

Now that I have your attention, why don't you explain to me why you
feel you can accomplish by spreading your "discoveries" on USENET?

> HW.
> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
The Ghost In The Machine - 28 Jan 2006 18:00 GMT
In sci.physics.relativity, Eric Gisse
<jowr.pi@gmail.com>
wrote
on 27 Jan 2006 22:36:47 -0800
<1138430207.346574.178100@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>> >> For navigational convenience, a new system of units is about
>> >> to be introduced to physics.
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> Now that I have your attention, why don't you explain to me why you
> feel you can accomplish by spreading your "discoveries" on USENET?

We're the first step in his Grand Mission, of course.  If he can
convince us of the viability of his theories, he can convince
anyone in a proper peer review group. :-)

At least, such is my theory, anyway.  Too bad he's got to go
through Hexenmeister first... :-)

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Eric Gisse - 28 Jan 2006 21:58 GMT
> In sci.physics.relativity, Eric Gisse
> <jowr.pi@gmail.com>
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> At least, such is my theory, anyway.  Too bad he's got to go
> through Hexenmeister first... :-)

The irresistable force meets the immovable object even though the
immovable object could be left alone.

> [.sigsnip]
Henri Wilson - 28 Jan 2006 23:40 GMT
>In sci.physics.relativity, Eric Gisse
><jowr.pi@gmail.com>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>convince us of the viability of his theories, he can convince
>anyone in a proper peer review group. :-)

Thank you Ghost.
It is always a good idea to get opinions about a theory before publishing, even
if most criticism comes from complete idiots like geesey.

>At least, such is my theory, anyway.  Too bad he's got to go
>through Hexenmeister first... :-)

Androcles has topped up his veins with 'anti-freeze' for the winter.
Maybe he will return to sanity when springtime arrives.

>[.sigsnip]

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Eric Gisse - 29 Jan 2006 03:30 GMT
> >In sci.physics.relativity, Eric Gisse
> ><jowr.pi@gmail.com>
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> It is always a good idea to get opinions about a theory before publishing, even
> if most criticism comes from complete idiots like geesey.

You have our opinions. The closest thing you have as to "supporters"
think you are an idiot. The only thing you and Androcles can agree on
is that SR is sh.t, you can't even agree on how it is sh.t - just that
it is.

When are you going to act upon them and flush your theories down the
toilet?

> >At least, such is my theory, anyway.  Too bad he's got to go
> >through Hexenmeister first... :-)
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> HW.
> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
Henri Wilson - 29 Jan 2006 05:19 GMT
>> >In sci.physics.relativity, Eric Gisse
>> ><jowr.pi@gmail.com>
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>> Androcles has topped up his veins with 'anti-freeze' for the winter.
>> Maybe he will return to sanity when springtime arrives.

poor clueless boy

>> >[.sigsnip]
>>
>> HW.
>> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

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Eric Gisse - 29 Jan 2006 05:58 GMT
> >> >In sci.physics.relativity, Eric Gisse
> >> ><jowr.pi@gmail.com>
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>
> poor clueless boy

More or less clueless than you?

You think you have a theory that will revolutionize physics, yet you
keep it to yourself except for flooding this newsgroup with its'
predictions.

Why?

> >> >[.sigsnip]
> >>
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> HW.
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Henri Wilson - 29 Jan 2006 22:31 GMT
>> >> >At least, such is my theory, anyway.  Too bad he's got to go
>> >> >through Hexenmeister first... :-)
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Why?

woof-woof!

>> HW.
>> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

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Eric Gisse - 30 Jan 2006 06:56 GMT
> >> >> >At least, such is my theory, anyway.  Too bad he's got to go
> >> >> >through Hexenmeister first... :-)
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>
> woof-woof!

Does the reality of your situation frighten you that much that you
can't even give me a reply that would sound like it came from an adult
rather than a child?

> >> HW.
> >> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
>
> HW.
> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
Henri Wilson - 30 Jan 2006 10:39 GMT
>> >You think you have a theory that will revolutionize physics, yet you
>> >keep it to yourself except for flooding this newsgroup with its'
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>can't even give me a reply that would sound like it came from an adult
>rather than a child?

Geesey boy, if you ever say anything scientific and constructive, I will be
only too pleased to answer you.

Now be a good pup and hop in your kennel....

>> >> HW.
>> >> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
>>
>> HW.
>> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

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Eric Gisse - 30 Jan 2006 20:06 GMT
> >> >You think you have a theory that will revolutionize physics, yet you
> >> >keep it to yourself except for flooding this newsgroup with its'
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> Geesey boy, if you ever say anything scientific and constructive, I will be
> only too pleased to answer you.

All I want to know is how you feel posting on USENET will help you
since you routinely shun the opinion of anyone who disagrees with you.

> Now be a good pup and hop in your kennel....
>
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> HW.
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Henri Wilson - 31 Jan 2006 00:16 GMT
>> Geesey boy, if you ever say anything scientific and constructive, I will be
>> only too pleased to answer you.
>
>All I want to know is how you feel posting on USENET will help you
>since you routinely shun the opinion of anyone who disagrees with you.

Geesey, chimpanzees can give opinions. I am only interested in constructive
scientific discussion with fellow scientists. That doesn't include you.

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Eric Gisse - 31 Jan 2006 01:58 GMT
> >> Geesey boy, if you ever say anything scientific and constructive, I will be
> >> only too pleased to answer you.
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> Geesey, chimpanzees can give opinions. I am only interested in constructive
> scientific discussion with fellow scientists. That doesn't include you.

...and who might these fabled "fellow scientists" be?

NOT: Anyone who accepts the experimental standing of special
relativity.

That excludes everyone but yourself, Androcles, Jim Greenfield,
Spaceman, and Ken Seto.

Androcles thinks you are an idiot. That leaves him out.

Jim Greenfield, Spaceshit, and Androcles are incapable of doing
highschool algebra. I don't know who would actually want their opinion.

That leaves Ken Seto and yourself.

Did I miss anyone?


> HW.
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The Ghost In The Machine - 31 Jan 2006 08:00 GMT
In sci.physics.relativity, Eric Gisse
<jowr.pi@gmail.com>
wrote
on 30 Jan 2006 17:58:27 -0800
<1138672707.683455.181770@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>> >> Geesey boy, if you ever say anything scientific and constructive,
>> >> I will be only too pleased to answer you.
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>
> Did I miss anyone?

Hammond, maybe?  :-)

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Eric Gisse - 31 Jan 2006 21:51 GMT
> In sci.physics.relativity, Eric Gisse
> <jowr.pi@gmail.com>
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>
> Hammond, maybe?  :-)

[Hammond], you mean.

Anyway, even Captain SPOG is fully in the relativity camp. He isn't as
nutty when you ask him about it, which surprised the hell out of me.

> [.sigsnip]
The Ghost In The Machine - 28 Jan 2006 05:00 GMT
In sci.physics.relativity, HW@..(Henri Wilson)
<HW@>
wrote
on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:34:07 GMT
<g37lt1t79lq4q6v9th0krukvfd0ejlsaaq@4ax.com>:
> For navigational convenience, a new system of units is about
> to be introduced to physics.
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> ONE 'WILSON' is defined as the absolute time taken for a GPS
> clock to make one complete orbit.

Dumb question: what is the height of said orbit, and does
the planetary mass matter?

Standard orbital velocity is sqrt(g * r) = sqrt(G * M / r),
where G is the universal grav constant, M is the planet mass,
and r is the orbit radius.  Since the circumference is 2 * pi * r,
the orbital period is of course 2 * pi * r / sqrt(G * M / r)
= 2 * pi * G^(-1/2) * r^(3/2) * M^(-1/2).

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Henri Wilson - 28 Jan 2006 05:44 GMT
>In sci.physics.relativity, HW@..(Henri Wilson)
><HW@>
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>the orbital period is of course 2 * pi * r / sqrt(G * M / r)
>= 2 * pi * G^(-1/2) * r^(3/2) * M^(-1/2).

Ghost, you gone overboard again...

GPS orbits are very accurate.
You can set your watch or egg-timer by them.

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The Ghost In The Machine - 28 Jan 2006 18:00 GMT
In sci.physics.relativity, HW@..(Henri Wilson)
<HW@>
wrote
on Sat, 28 Jan 2006 05:44:01 GMT
<av0mt150sterve33bq1bhk49l63u8blt94@4ax.com>:

>>In sci.physics.relativity, HW@..(Henri Wilson)
>><HW@>
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> GPS orbits are very accurate.
> You can set your watch or egg-timer by them.

I wouldn't be so sure of that.  One interesting result scooped
Gravity Probe B, for example, by measuring the distortion of
the orbits of certain satellites.

In any event GPS ephemera are routinely published, and presumably
the satellites themselves are equipped with thrusters, to combat
the effects of the atmosphere and the solar wind.

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