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The Victory of Einstein's Cult

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Pentcho Valev - 27 Feb 2006 07:57 GMT
http://www.buckingham.ac.uk/education/research/ceer/pdfs/physicsprint.pdf

"Physics is in danger of disappearing as an identifiable subject from
much of state education, through redefinition to general science and
teacher shortage."

Pentcho Valev
OsherD - 27 Feb 2006 09:00 GMT
>From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net

Pentcho Valev typed:

>"Physics is in danger of disappearing as an identifiable subject from
>much of state education, through redefinition to general science and
>teacher shortage."

I taught mathematics in California State Universities and Community
Colleges and before that I was a substitute High School and sometimes
Middle School teacher in California, and in all places there was a
major deterioration in student motivation, behavior, respect for
teachers, respect for Knowledge, respect for Ethics, compared to my
experiences in California when I grew up.

I suspect that the British situation which you mention (with a very
interesting reference link) is similar and that what is actually
happening is that physics is being hardest hit by the general decline
in Knowledge and Ethics because physics has the most prerequisites in
Knowledge in the sense of requiring both mathematics and chemistry.
Mathematicians just have to know mathematics (though to know it very
well is another story).   Also, friends and acquainces of mine who've
taught point out that California students tend to lack "patience" and
"interest" when they take physics courses, which seems to mean that
it's an unfamiliar language to them since they've ignored too many of
its prerequisites.

At the risk of seeming to be an "old-timer" or an alarmist, I think
that we're very close to the situation before Ancient Rome fell.  None
of the Presidential candidates in the last 10 or so U.S.A. elections
came from physical science, engineering, mathematics, or even
psychology or theoretical sociology.  "Law" appears to be their main
profession, and has been an almost total failure in preparing them to
make decisions for either the Individual or the Plurality once they
leave the Courtroom.  Similar remarks hold for the Congress (Senate and
House of Representatives) and Governors, etc.

Osher Doctorow
OsherD - 27 Feb 2006 09:08 GMT
>From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net

I should also have mentioned philosophy - can you imagine a
Presidential or Congressional/Parliamentary candidate who is a
philosopher?   He/she would so endanger the "system" and the
Bureaucrats that we'd probably see a reenactment of Socrates' forced
death by taking hemlock in Ancient Athens.  Philosophers are usually
quite familiar with Materialism versus Nonmaterialism, and with BS
versus reality or ideals.  Those are opposite qualities from those of
Bureaucracies.

Osher Doctorow
OsherD - 27 Feb 2006 09:18 GMT
>From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net

Another contribution to the "Fall of Rome" is the proliferation of
Ethnic Studies and Feminist Studies departments, which usually have the
agendas of "My Ethnic Group At Any Price" or "My Sex At Any Price".
At Harvard, the President of Harvard is about to be ousted for being
opposed to Terrorism and for returning Saudi millions recently "given"
to Harvard.  

Osher Doctorow
Lloyd Parker - 27 Feb 2006 09:50 GMT
>>From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Osher Doctorow

Actually, it's not.  But his comment about women being genetically inferior
when it comes to science might have something to do with it.
Hexenmeister - 27 Feb 2006 10:27 GMT
> >From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net
>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Osher Doctorow

Those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Rome fell from
within, the West will do the same. Britain is crumbling under a mass of
immigrants seeking the good life so that they can change it to suit
their own religion. They see free health care, freedom of speech,
benefits such as "family allowance", a regular payment to children
for being children and consider these to be "rights". If it is free
there is no need to work for it. So they don't. They build mosques
instead of cars, planes and ships, so Britain's engineers emigrate.
I did. Collective greed overrides collective welfare.
Androcles.
Lloyd Parker - 27 Feb 2006 09:51 GMT
>> >From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net
>>
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>Those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Rome fell from
>within, the West will do the same.

But we don't use lead pipes any longer!
hanson - 27 Feb 2006 18:31 GMT
>>> Pentcho Valev typed:
http://www.buckingham.ac.uk/education/research/ceer/pdfs/physicsprint.pdf
>>>>"Physics is in danger of disappearing as an identifiable
>>>> subject from much of state education, through
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>> happening is that physics is being hardest hit by the
>>> general decline in Knowledge and Ethics

[hanson]
That may not be the reason for it at all. It may simply be an
(ill) perceived notion because the golden age/phase of
physics and chemistry is over... 'cuz most of what humankind
was looking for from the products of physics and chemistry had
been extracted and delivered...   Once that had happened
societal interest turned to other fields.... such as lamentation,
like we here do here now.   It's euphemistically called "being
connected"... and so the heroes are no longer physicists & chems
but computer dudes from Gates on down... Go with the flow, dude...

[Kosher]
>>> ... in California, and in all places there was a major
>>> deterioration  in student motivation, behavior, respect for
>>> teachers, respect for Knowledge, respect for Ethics,
>>> compared to my experiences in California when I grew up.
>>> At the risk of seeming to be an "old-timer" or an alarmist,

[hanson]
Yes, you are and unkosher at that. Your whining about the good
old times is as ancient as is humanity itself... yet, like always, while
you belabor the days of yore and bygone, the kids sing and f.ck
around, not paying any attention to the oldsters.... just like you
did when you where young... and if you didn't then you are a loser...
a schmuck and a dreidel... ahahaha... Just look at your grandkids.

[Kosher]
>>> I think that we're very close to the situation before Ancient
>>> Rome fell.

[hanson]
ahahaha....Heard that one before, here and in every other country
where work and reside...   All old timers, everywhere, from back
in the gray fog of prehistory, have sung that same song.... ahahaha...
(This notion may  simply be a subconscious announcement by the
old timers that they think and feel to be very close to their own "fall")

[Kosher]
>>> None of the Presidential candidates in the last 10 or so
>>> U.S.A. elections came from physical science, engineering,
>>> mathematics, or even psychology or theoretical sociology.

[hanson]
Your counting is unkosher perhaps for geriatric reasons.
President Jimmy Carter was a nuclear engineer.

[Kosher]
>>> "Law" appears to be their main profession, and has been
>>> an almost total failure in preparing them to make decisions
>>> Similar remarks hold for the Congress (Senate
>>> and House of Representatives) and Governors, etc.

[hanson]
Yet, that may be the least of all possible evils... It may be good
to have people with interests in the "law" = rules, to do the admin.
of ruling. One of the chief tenants of the law is to "exhaust all
administrative remedies before you use the state (court)"... which
is good, else not only the US, but all societies would have turned at
once to the workers paradise of socialism and communism where
only the very few make the decisions for the many... just like in religion.

> > Those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Rome fell from
> > within, the West will do the same. [1]

[hanson]
.... "doomed":... neeehh... "repeat":... yes, of course, but with
variations. These evolving repeats have been going for eons.
Build the new on the old is seen everywhere from architecture
to bio-evolutions. Most trends on the societal level are simply
scene changes of temporary social fads, cultural habits that
come and go...... because....
The only thing that remains constant is change itself... ahahaha...

[Hexer]
>> Britain is crumbling under a mass of immigrants seeking the
>>  good life so that they can change it to suit their own religion.

[hanson]
ahahaha... that's a good one... ahahaha... because what you do
observe here is a reaction to our own teachings. See, the Brits, like
the Gringos (mexer slang for green-coat), went all over this f.cking
globe and instilled in their new colonial subjects (= foreign subsidiary
-"customers" in the US case) how great the US and Britain was...
and so why shouldn't any rational subject or customer of theirs not
want to emigrate to the land of honey... ahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHA...

[Hexer]
>>  They see free health care, freedom of speech, benefits
> > such as "family allowance", a regular payment to children
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>  engineers emigrate. Collective greed overrides collective
>>  welfare.  Androcles.

[hanson]
.... ahahaha... same over here. But that complaint is vastly
overstated and overrated and overhyped & mainly used by
local polititians to garner votes. In the US some stats say
that there is only one immigrant welfare case for every 10
native ones. Real fact?... I dunno.. I am not working in nor
using the welfare system, except that, like you, I 'm paying
for it ... which may be cheaper than having the poor bastards
turning to even more crimes... ... So,  let's be thankful that we
are not in their shoes... and always remember that at one time
in the past our own personal forbearers were looked, shunned
and scoffed at like that... ahaha... long range Pot/Kettle song.

> [1] "Rome fell from  within".....
> ...But we don't use lead pipes any longer!

[hanson]
No, we don't, but the "leaded Rome demise" is green-sh.t
doom propaganda.  The Romans had Pb pluming only to
a limited extent in scope and time. Furthermore, the lead
pipe surface is coated immediately with Pb-CO3-SO4-SiO4,
all extremely insoluble.  So the lead exposure back then was
minuscule compared to what it was/is in modern times, when
food tin cans were soldered with Sn/Pb, and especially when
Billions of tons lead were spewed out (world wide) into the
homes and bedrooms from passing cars that used TE-Lead.
Parki-pooh you probably grew up next to a busy highway...
ahahaAHAHA.... So, like the man said "Live and let die" and....
"Let'em sing ... All of'em... It's  a beautiful choir!...
ahahaha... ahahahanson
OsherD - 27 Feb 2006 18:59 GMT
>From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net

If anybody notices that Hanson defends the Establishment, they
shouldn't be surprised.  Put some filthy language in the mouth of an
Establishment hack and you get Hanson.  Like the Establishment, he's
anti-Jewish, feels so guilty about the Colonial past that he/they give
away Jobs and taxpayer money to the Violence-oriented loafers and
uneducated sloths, open the borders to cheap labor, lay out the red
carpet for the Saudis who finance and train the bin Ladens, welcome the
United Arab Emirates' takerover of our ports, and on and on.  His only
correct claim is that Carter was an engineer, but one out of so many
Presidents and/or Candidates is minuscule, plus Carter didn't absorb
engineering Knowledge or Ethics but rather became a servant of the
Saudis and a defender of Islamist Terror.

As for us all being like Hanson when we were young, that's
psychological projection of Hanson's own past onto others.  Hanson was
and is a combination of Establishment and Me-First-Number One-Numero
Uno Law of the Jungle, which actually is rather close to both the
Dumbocrat and Bush Administrations come to think of it.

Osher
Hexenmeister - 27 Feb 2006 20:23 GMT
> >From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net
>
> If anybody notices that Hanson defends the Establishment, they
> shouldn't be surprised.  Put some filthy language in the mouth of an
> Establishment hack and you get Hanson.

He's ok.  He's a true cynic, I like the guy.
 http://www.i-cynic.com/whatis.asp
As to language,
' Of all the strange "crimes" that human beings have legislated of nothing,
"blasphemy" is the most amazing - with "obscenity" and "indecent exposure"
fighting it out for the second and third place. ' -- Robert A. Heinlein
Androcles.

Like the Establishment, he's
> anti-Jewish, feels so guilty about the Colonial past that he/they give
> away Jobs and taxpayer money to the Violence-oriented loafers and
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Osher
hanson - 28 Feb 2006 00:58 GMT
[hanson]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/f6a1cc20668dd9d1
[Osher]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/bd9956ac49e98970
[hanson]
AHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha...   Don't be so unkosher Osher...
See, it's precisely because of unkosher members like you that
I have put my conversion to Judaism on hold again!... ahahaha...

Until then, Osher, let's sit down and have a beer, a ham sandwich
and good crusty pork rind... all kosher of course... and reason:

Osher, I said before: There are no better sci/soc conversionalists
around then the Jews.   You should feel happy that I talk to you.
I am not "anti-Jewish" but I certainly voice my opinion when hear
a guilt-ridden Bible beater or a threatening ass-venter OR a loud
mouthed Jew, like you, insisting on their god-given superiority
and phony righteousness.
Osher, it 's not my doing that you have that gross, compulsive
demand-need to be admired and adored and loved for being
Jewish... ahahaha... If you do then behave lovingly & lovable.
ahahaha... So, what really that cranked you, senile olde kacker?...

What "anti-Jewish" things have I said? ... ahahahaha.. Do you
object to me repeating what was shown over and over in the Jew-
dominated  mass media ?...  What is your problem with hearing a
few such examples like these here? Is it the Left-Jewish liberal
press that you are really mad at and you are just using me as a
proxy?    I think these Yidds are wonderful Jews to air their own
dirty linen in public. That's transparency. Honesty. Commendable.
Why don't you think so too, Osher?... Are you that unkosher, Osher?

ahahaha... Now then, so that you can secretly gloat and celebrate,
here are the latest machinations that some Jews have engineered
and published in their own Jew dominated and controlled media
and press:... ahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

==02- 26-06: PBS aired the McLaughlin Group analysis in
which one of the learned panelists says on the ongoing East
Coast Port sale: ~ "This deal with the United Arab Emirates is
good because Israel has a diplomatic Mission in Dubai,
therefore it must be good enough for the USA".

== 02-23-06: All TV networks aired that the United Arab Emirates
have acquired leases to run 6 East Coast Sea Ports (large Jewish
populations) in a deal that was approved by the Bush appointed
son of a rabbi, Homeland security chief, Michael Chertoff.....

== 02-22-06: Fox News aired: Al Franken, Zionist loudmouth of
the financially ailing "Air America Radio" chain intends to run for
Senate in Michigan/Minnesota with a campaign chest of $25 million
that was paid to him as "salary" from the donations of  the Jewish
Leftwing Hollywood clique like Rob Reiner and Billionaire George
Soros, a naturalized Hungarian Jew.... .

== 02-12-06: The TV History channel, for years sounding
like the TV arm of the holocaust industry with their weekly
diet of WWII films, Nazi bashing, KZ movies and Jewish
contributions to WWII victory NOW switched tracks. Maybe
with the traditional sources for the Holocaust industry being
milked dry and new enemies looming against Jew/Zionism, they
decided that it might be of help to exploit the Germans and the
Nazis as allies now. (Just like we did in 45, using them against
the Rusky commies). The HistChannel in their latest production
.... (a) 1 hr show about "Hitler's relatives" does strenuously
belabore that issue and claims that since 1933 it was officially
known in Germany that Hilter's family tree was blessed with the
genes from the "Salomon" family branch, Jews from Dornisheim,
a village which Hitler had leveled and used as an artillery range....
.... (b) another 1 hr HistChannel  show portrays that the Nazis
were first and foremost environmentalists, for clean air and
water, health and vegans . They are shown now (then in the
1920/30's) as having been ~ 60 years ahead in science over the
US, with the Nazis having invented the tape recorder, hi-fi, Jets,
the electron microscope (Ruska Nobel price), rockets, ejection
seats and a volley of chemical patents etc... and all that AFTER
the Nazis had they kicked out all the Jewish scientists, who
(according to this new history TV show) didn't contribute nearly
as much to science as the previuos US-Jew propaganda, since
1945, has blared out for the US public to believe.... ahahahaha...

== 02-10-06: Fox News' usually Jew loving Bill O'Reilly railed
against Adam Shapiro, co-founder of the Internatl. Solidarity
Movement, for recruiting and raising funds for Hamas etc. and
SUSTAIN ("Stop US Tax Aid to Israel Now".org)... Google:
--"Adam Shapiro" ISM-- for more... This is another example
of what the Zionist side of Jewry refers to as "deranged
Jews"... like their issue with  Adam Perlman aka Gadhan an
Al Qaida Spokesman residing in Pakistan. This Jew turned
Muslim, threatened that LA and Melbourne will be the next
target of terrorist attacks and "much less compassionate"
then the London & Spain massacres were.. 09-12-05
abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/ 102904_nw_american_alQaeda.html

== 01-24-06: NBC aired JDL's paranoia and angst them
protesting because singer Ricky Martin wore a checkered
scarf while giving a concert in Jordan.

== 12-16-05: Fox News' Cavuto has a Jewish journalist
on that condemns Steven Spielberg for making his "Munich"
Film, calling it "Anti-Jew" and bemoaning Spielberg for having
uttered that "Israel's time has passed. Israel is no longer
necessary"

== 12-15-05: Jewish comedian cum rabbi Jacky Mason dishes
out Bumperstickers in New York reading: "Jews FOR Merry
Christmas" and saying "why do we Jews, only 3% of the US
population, have to protect the rights of you Christians who are
93% of the population?". He, of course, didn't mention all the
Jews who were/are actively promoting "Holyday" over "Xmas".
under the banner of State/Church separation... ahahaha...

== 12-14-05 worldnetdaily.com says that Israeli Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon has ordered his defense forces to plan for a
pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear weapons facilities by the
end of March 2006. That in response to Iranian President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who today reiterated his Holocaust
denial and called for the ethnic cleansing of Israel. Last week,
Ahmadinejad questioned Jewish roots in Israel, denied the
Holocaust, and in October, he called for Israel to be "wiped off
the map." and suggested to move Israel from the Middle East to
Germany, or Austria.

== 11-22-05: CNN HLN & Fox aired that Cong Murtha (D) who
advocated the immediate withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
and precipitated the failed 403:3 vote for it, said when asked
who should be blamed for the current Iraq policy failures that it
was Wolfowitz who should be fired for it.

== As far back as the beginning of the Clinton admin there were
Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Rob Loewenberg,
David Wurmser and Meyrav Wurmser and other Neocons (a code
word for Jews) in the Bush admin who goaded the prez to go into
Iraq.  Once that took place the pressure from Saddam onto Israel
was gone,... and promptly those same Jewish factions got luke
warm and then openly anti-war. The Krauts have a proverb for that:
"Für das Gewesene gibt the Jude nichts"

== 10-11-05: CNN HLN & Fox aired that a Jewish cadet
is suing the Air Force Academy in CO for having Xianity
forced upon him while training to become a pilot.

== 09-29-05: The Networks, Fox & CNN carried the
news bit that Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein ordered that
more (of the same/similar) Abu Ghraib prison pervert
pix must be released by the Pentagon to the public.

== 09-23-05: 2 weeks after class 5 Hurricane Katrina hit New
Orleans with a vengeance, the Networks, Fox & CNN carried
for an entire news cycle segments with (1) a Muslim Ayatollah
thanking Allah for punishing the US because of its evil policy
towards Islam, followed by (2) a Rabbi in Jerusalem who was
thanking God for punishing the US because of its evil policy
towards Israel.

== On July 10th, 2005, 3 days after the terror attacks on London
Fox News aired PM Tony Blair as saying that the conflict between
Israeli Jews and Palestinians is the underlying cause of terrorism.

== In the May 2005 "60 Minutes" interview by Mike Wallace,
Prez Vlad Putin stated that when the USSR disintegrated its
the Treasury was looted that: "All the looters were Jews."
Wallace, a Jew himself, looked rather pleased if not proud....
but, interestingly in a re-broadcast on July 31, 2005 Wallace
did NOT repeat this video segment, but instead offered only
a watered down audio comment about these Russian "oligarchs"....

== To wit, Brittan's Royal Prince Harry wore a Nazi uniform with
Swastika to a party. The Jewish "Tolerance" museum demanded
that he repent by visiting Auschwitz. (CNN/Fox Jan.13, 2005)

== In the US, Xian churches, i.e. the Presbyterians do officially
criticize Israel & US Jews for their practice in Palestine and they
have begun to divest their holdings from anything that has to do
with Jews and Israel. In response they got a terrorist threat from
Queens, NY, that their churches will burn when people are in it.
(CNN Nov.14, 2004).

== The Israeli army opens probe into claims that Jewish soldiers
mutilated/abused corpses of Palestinians. (CNN-HLN Nov.19, 2004)

== Grand Jury proceedings have been initiated against someone in
Rumsfeld's office for spying for Israel, using the offices of the US-
Israel Public Affairs Commitee, AIPAC, which the FBI had raided
in August 2004. (CNN-HLN, Dec. 01, 2004)

== The parents of a US-born Jewish teen killed by Palestinian militants
near a West Bank bus stop eight years ago call for a $156 million
federal court award against three Islamic charities.(12-09-04, NPR)

== At least 5 Israeli Banks, e.g. Leumi Bank, have & are still holding
onto hundreds of millions of $ deposited by Holocaust victims in
1930-40  and now still refuse to pay these depositors or their heirs.
(CNN-HLN & Fox, Feb. 04, 2005)

== Why do you think that the democrats lost the last two elections
after they moved Kerry aka Kohn, resp. Lieberman into the ticket?

== 2005:  B'nai Brith bitterly whined earlier this year that there are
300'000 fever Jews in the year 2000, in the US, then there were in
1970. It was on CNN for a whole week.

== 2004 The Euros and Ruskies do not like the Arabs. The Euros
and Ruskies hate Jews more than they hate Arabs. Which is the
REAL reason why the Euros and Ruskies are not with us in Iraq.
Euros can't criticize Jews because that is illegal in most countries.
So they display their anti-Semitism that way....

== Bush appointed a rabbi son, Michael Chertoff as chief of the
Department  of Homeland Security on Jan.11, 2005, which may
be a Freudian reaction saying: "you Jews caused it. You Jews fix it"...

== During the 20th century there were ~ 200 million people murdered
in genocides. So, the Jews, with their holocaust, with allegedly 6
million victims are merely 3% of the this gruesome total. However,
the profiteering Jews in the holocaust industry make 97% of the noise.
-------------------                 -------------------                      -------------------

So, what is so anti-Jewish about that, Osher? Your ilk did it... ahaha..
You sound like the father of a criminal you does not want to hear
what some of his familiy members have done and attacks the
court reporter.... ahahahaha.... If not then why do you have such
cramped and strained bowel movements in you tripe below then?
Swallow some kosher Sodium Dioctyl sulfosuccinate , Osher, and
it'll come out without you popping your geriatric hemmies... ahahaha..

I am truly sorry / or laughing/  about ... that all this bugs you so bad,
but I have much less to do with all  these worlds shaking events than
you, you geriatric dreidel... ahaha... AHAHA.... Osher, hanson travels
alone....      You, OTOH, Osher, you are proud member of Zionism.
ahahahaha...   So, thanks for the laughs...    But, Osher, be kosher...
or you may end up to be the poster child for the stereo type of/for
creating, fostering and promulgating anti-Semitism... Remember:
no overbearing loud and domineering Jews... no anti-Semitism.
It's as simple as that... Thanks for the laughs.... ahahaha... ahahanson

> >From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net
> If anybody notices that Hanson defends the Establishment, they
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Dumbocrat and Bush Administrations come to think of it.
> Osher

[hanson]
ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahaha.... Osher Osher, Osher...
Where did I defend the establishment and where did "I* say
anything against the Jews... when I merely reported what your
ilk did. Read the above news clips again and then be kosher
and admit that you don't like to hear what has been done by your
affiliates-in-faith.  So, just let it ride and make the best of it, Osher,
lest you are hallucinating and you crying victim when it was you
who was trying to victimize...  .... Fat chance buddy... ahahaha...

Osher, I just don't understand why you are one of those fanatical
Jews who work so very hard to make Hitler's last curse turn into
a self-fulfilling prophecy... of/in/about which Hitler predicted in
the Spring of 1945 that  = "in a 100 years from now the world
will be grateful to me for what I, Hitler, have started!" =

What is that strange, ingrained compulsion that some of you
Jews exhibit to support that? ... Is your G-d telling you to be that
stupid? ... ahaha....  Osher,  here's a much better role model
that would suit you better and which you should embrace instead:
http://www.superlaugh.com/1/behappy.htm

Thanks for the laughs, unkosher Osher... ahahahaha... ahahaha...
ahahaha... ahahanson
Hexenmeister - 27 Feb 2006 19:36 GMT
>>>> Pentcho Valev typed:
> http://www.buckingham.ac.uk/education/research/ceer/pdfs/physicsprint.pdf
[quoted text clipped - 92 lines]
> and so why shouldn't any rational subject or customer of theirs not
> want to emigrate to the land of honey... ahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHA...

"Queen Victoria velly good man." -- Hong Kong coolie who couldn't
believe the "ruler" was a woman, let alone understand just a figurehead.
Still, I'll say this for our royalty, they are not afraid to put their arse
on the line when it comes to a scrap. f.cked if I'd want to be on the
sharp end of an Exocet missile, but needs are and Andrew was there.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/Sales/goods/0,,299,00.html
I doubt they are too pleased with Blair and his pansies.

> [Hexer]
>>>  They see free health care, freedom of speech, benefits
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> in the past our own personal forbearers were looked, shunned
> and scoffed at like that... ahaha... long range Pot/Kettle song.

I lived in the USA for 20 years, and believe me, it's nothing like
the same.
When  I came back to Britain three years ago (with an ankle injury,
I'm retired now anyway) I signed on to get some of my money back
and then looked for a job. I'd always wanted to drive a big truck
to see the countryside and get paid for it, too many years driving
a computer. They asked me if I was seeking asylum, cheeky bastards.
I guess they have to ask everyone, but I shoved my birth certificate
in their face and told 'em to get stuffed.
They are all called Singh or Khan or Patel here, oh yes, golly gosh.
Ask them the time and they'll say it is half past tree tirty. If
you ever got lost in London call me, they can't help, they are lost
themselves.

>> [1] "Rome fell from  within".....
>> ...But we don't use lead pipes any longer!
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> "Let'em sing ... All of'em... It's  a beautiful choir!...
> ahahaha... ahahahanson

f.ck the plumbing, the Romans used lead for saucepans.
The melting point of lead is a little higher than the boiling point
of water, I believe, and it was a wood fire, not coal.
I saw a lead pipe in use recently, actually. Gent's toilet, the Bull
Hotel, Rochester (Dickens's country). No need to replace it,
nobody is going to drink flush water.
Androcles.
Hexenmeister - 27 Feb 2006 19:20 GMT
>>> >From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net
>>>
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>
> But we don't use lead pipes any longer!
You need a lead pipe wrapped around your head to knock some
f.cking sense into it.
Androcles.
donstockbauer@hotmail.com - 27 Feb 2006 13:29 GMT
Oh, stuff a f.cking sock in it, Andocles/Black
Knight/Hexencocksucker/whatever the f.ck else you want to call your
ignorant f.cking a.s.

- Don
Hexenmeister - 27 Feb 2006 19:40 GMT
> Oh, stuff a f.cking sock in it, Andocles/Black
> Knight/Hexencocksucker/whatever the f.ck else you want to call your
> ignorant f.cking a.s.
>
> - Don
Why?  You'd  have nobody to disagree with.
Of course you can't actually disagree since you are too f.cking stupid
to  understand basic algebra, you dumb c.nt.

You are still an arrogant, illiterate, innumerate, illogical,
c.nt without a scrap of logic in you, you whining little toad.
You don't have an inkling about mathematics or physics
and live in the vain hope some moron will think you are clever,
Mr SmartArse who pretends he understands relativity and
doesn't have a clue how to synchronize his watch to Cassini
time.
Modern physics:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Synchronize/Synchronize.htm

Hey dumbfuck! Do you know how to move sideways or up?
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/how_to3.jpg

High school algebra:

x² + y² + z² =  c²t²               Einstein
xi² + eta² + zeta² = c²tau²        Einstein

tau = (t-vx/c²)/sqrt(1-v²/c²)      Einstein
tau = (t-uy/c²)/sqrt(1-u²/c²)      Androcles
tau = (t-wz/c²)/sqrt(1-w²/c²)      Androcles
xi  = (x-vt)/sqrt(1-v²/c²)         Einstein
eta = (y-ut)/sqrt(1-u²/c²)         Androcles
zeta= (z-wt)/sqrt(1-w²/c²)         Androcles

Right or wrong, dumbfuck?
If one is right they all are, if one is wrong they all are,
pathetic shithead.
For v = 0.866c, u = 0.866c, w = 0.866c the resultant velocity is
sqrt( 3/4 + 3/4 +3/4) = 1.5c
Right or wrong, shitforbrains?

Einstein said
eta = y,
zeta = z
because he did not know how to move sideways or up,
anencephalous cretin.

[quote]
we establish by definition that the "time" required by a crab to travel
from A to B equals the "time" it requires to travel from B to A.
[end quote]
Ref: http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/

Einstein can prove nothing can go faster than a crab.

Oops!... Did I say 'a crab'? Sorry...'light'.

"In agreement with experience we further assume the quantity
2AB/(t'A-tA) = c,
to be a universal constant--the velocity of light in empty space." --  
Einstein.

In agreement with experience and without any assumption,
BA = -AB,
2AB = AC,

[AB +BA]/(t'A-tA) = 0
Hence c = 0 in Einstein's math.

Observation:
http://www.britastro.org/vss/gifc/00918-ck.gif
Explanation:
http://www.ebicom.net/~rsf1/sekerin.htm (fig 3)

(Or stars explode twice in three months, which is stupid).

In agreement with experience and without any assumption,
you remain an arrogant, illiterate, innumerate, illogical,
incompetent c.nt without a scrap of logic in you,
you whining little toad.
You don't have an inkling about mathematics or physics
and live in the vain hope some moron will think you are clever,
Mr SmartArse who pretends he understands physics and
doesn't have a clue how to synchronize his watch to Cassini
time.
Modern physics:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Synchronize/Synchronize.htm

f.ck off, useless tord!

tau = (t-vx/c²)/sqrt(1-v²/c²)
tau = (t-uy/c²)/sqrt(1-u²/c²)
tau = (t-wz/c²)/sqrt(1-w²/c²)
xi  = (x-vt)/sqrt(1-v²/c²)
eta = (y-ut)/sqrt(1-u²/c²)
zeta= (z-wt)/sqrt(1-w²/c²)
If one is right they all are, if one is wrong they all are.
Carry three watches or do not move sideways or ride an elevator.

Personally I prefer three witches:
Double double, toil and trouble,
Fire burn and Einstein bubble.  --- Pop!
Hexenmeister.
OsherD - 27 Feb 2006 18:39 GMT
>From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net

Hexenmeister/Androcles typed:

>Those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Rome fell from
>within, the West will do the same. Britain is crumbling under a mass of
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>I did. Collective greed overrides collective welfare.
>Androcles.

Several of your comments are very accurate in my opinion, although the
mosques and "own religion" are unlikely to be reasons for the "Fall of
Rome" scenario.  The lack of Religious tolerance among the immigrants
to which you refer is, however, extremely high, and the mosques in many
Islamist or pro-Islamist nations are often used for non-Religious
purposes including inciting Violence.

Immigrants who riot or commit crimes for "religious" reasons, and
immigrants who don't seek jobs, and immigrants who don't learn the main
language of their host nation, and immigrants who don't interact with
different ethnic groups/Individuals (especially Nonmaterialist
Knowledge-oriented and/or Ethics-oriented groups/Individuals) are very
likely to contribute largely to the Fall of Rome scenario.  A nation
that doesn't deport them is suicidal, and so is a nation that takes
them in especially after finding out about their repeated behavior.
African and poor pro-African Latinos and also Islamist immigrants also
tend to be technologically backward and to lack Knowledge-Orientation
except as to their own arts-and-crafts or political-religious history.
They indeed tend not to build cars, planes, ships, or even production
lines, but to enjoy tearing down cars, planes, houses, buildings,
businesses.

Osher
Hexenmeister - 27 Feb 2006 20:23 GMT
> >From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net
>
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> Islamist or pro-Islamist nations are often used for non-Religious
> purposes including inciting Violence.

Yeah, we just banged one of 'em up for 7 years, then the USA can
extradite him. He can decide for himself which he prefers, British jails
or American jails, he'll have plenty of opportunity to find out.
What pisses me off is that I have to pay for it. Oh well, that's the
price of democracy. We used to deport people like that to Australia,
but I think Antarctica would be better.

> Immigrants who riot or commit crimes for "religious" reasons, and
> immigrants who don't seek jobs, and immigrants who don't learn the main
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>
> Osher
Y'know, the ones that come
here and pull their weight are ok, and I've known a few. The Turk
that runs the fish 'n  chip shop works some really long hours, he's
an ok guy and I don't mind what religion he is.  Most Brits are
either atheists or agnostics anyway. It's the zealots we need to
oust. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Androcles.
Mahmoud In My Dinner Jacket - 28 Feb 2006 16:14 GMT
> >From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net
>
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> teachers, respect for Knowledge, respect for Ethics, compared to my
> experiences in California when I grew up.

Good heavens!  A professional physicist!  (Well, math is close ENOUGH)
On sci.physics.relativity!!!  (Falls back unconscious off seat)

> I suspect that the British situation which you mention (with a very
> interesting reference link) is similar and that what is actually
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> came from physical science, engineering, mathematics, or even
> psychology or theoretical sociology.

That was the problem with Rome, a lack of professional physicists among
the emperors ...
surrealistic-dream@hotmail.com - 27 Feb 2006 15:38 GMT
> http://www.buckingham.ac.uk/education/research/ceer/pdfs/physicsprint.pdf
>
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>
> Pentcho Valev

What does Einstein have to do with this?
 
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