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Natural Science Forum / Physics / Relativity / May 2006Einstein's clock synchro is hog wash
Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his 2 clocks (A and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with the simplistic two way light speed equality. It would work in the case of one stationary and one moving clock but not when both clocks are moving as he described. The light paths in the forward and backward cases are actually different distances thus giving rise to Ta'-Tb <> Tb-Ta even if the clocks were synchronized. The simplistic argument which many physicists fall for by suggesting that Einstein was using the c-v and c+v speeds of light by making the moving frame of the rod stationary is wrong too because Einstein clearly states in his second postulate that the velocity of light is always invariant. Thus, the rod is in a moving frame and the calculations are made using simple algebra from the stationary frame and it works out that light path in each direction is different by an amount equal to (Tb-Ta)v. > Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his > 2 clocks (A and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > works out that light path in each direction is different by > an amount equal to (Tb-Ta)v. I can see why they call you "von dork de merde" | > Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his | > 2 clocks (A and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] | > works out that light path in each direction is different by | > an amount equal to (Tb-Ta)v. hahaha.. HAHAHAHA.... hahaha.... Stunned, Dork? Androcles. > Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his > 2 clocks (A and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > works out that light path in each direction is different by > an amount equal to (Tb-Ta)v. Brian D. Jones, aka Cadwgan Gedrych, aka Martin Miller, Kurt Kingston (kk), aka 2ndPostulateDudem, aka SRdude, aka Edward Travis, aka Ron Aikas, aka Roy Royce, aka John Reid? Dirk Vdm >> Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his 2 clocks (A >> and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with the simplistic two way [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Dirk Vdm Please don't give perfect strangers credit for my work. > >> Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his 2 clocks (A > >> and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with the simplistic two way [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Please don't give perfect strangers credit for my work. You have been posting this 'work' on this forum since 10 years. Dirk Vdm >> >> Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his 2 clocks (A >> >> and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with the simplistic two [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Dirk Vdm You are as wrong about that as Einstein was when he insisted that simultaneity was relative. I only just started reading Einsteins paper last year but don't let that allow you to think I am a physics newbie. I am not. Physics is much broader than Einstein and his notions. > >> >> Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his 2 clocks (A > >> >> and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with the simplistic two [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > I only just started reading Einsteins paper last year but don't let > that allow you to think I am a physics newbie. I am not. Sure, you are what we call on the one hand a "Deceptive Troll", and on the other hand a "Clueless Autisitic Imbecile". > Physics is > much broader than Einstein and his notions. Yes, Brian, whatever you say, Brian, whatever you already said, Brian, whatever you will continue to say, Brian... Dirk Vdm <snip> > Sure, you are what we call on the one hand a "Deceptive Troll", and on the > other hand a "Clueless Autisitic Imbecile". <snip> > Yes, Brian, whatever you say, Brian, whatever you already said, Brian, > whatever you will continue to say, Brian... > > Dirk Vdm I see you only understand insults, f**K off von dork de merde plonk! > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I see you only understand insults, Well, we tend to look at it another way: "Deceptive Trolls" and "Clueless Autisitic Imbeciles" only understand and respond to insults, so that is what they get... > f**K off von dork de merde > > plonk! ... and it seems to help :-) Dirk Vdm <snip> >> f**K off von dork de merde >> >> plonk! > >.... and it seems to help :-) One thing, that will probably remain a mystery of my life, is when these people change their user names, they never change the names they use to cast aspersions. One line and they're IDed. /BAH dead_paul, still braindead: >> You have been posting this 'work' on this forum since 10 years. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I only just started reading Einsteins paper last year but don't let Since his paper is only a few pages, when do you think you might finish reading it? >that allow you to think I am a physics newbie. I am not. Physics is >much broader than Einstein and his notions. Fortunately, einstein consolidated a great deal of it with his work on relativity and quantum mechanics, so that the different branches of physics don't look as different as they did before einstein came along. | >> Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his 2 clocks (A | >> and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with the simplistic two way [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] | | Please don't give perfect strangers credit for my work. Err... Please don't plagiarize MY work. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/4674b29449f08fb0?hl=en Wed, Mar 17 1999 9:00 am Androcles. > | >> Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his 2 clocks (A > | >> and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with the simplistic two way [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Androcles. So it really *is* you. Sorry for having mistaken you for Brian D. Jones. My mistake. Dirk Vdm | > | >> Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his 2 clocks (A | > | >> and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with the simplistic two way [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] | > | > Please don't plagiarize MY work. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/4674b29449f08fb0?hl=en | > Wed, Mar 17 1999 9:00 am | > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | Sorry for having mistaken you for Brian D. Jones. | My mistake. Nice one :-) That's not a mistake, Dork, that's an immoortel fumble. Dirk Van de Androcles. > | >> Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his 2 clocks (A > | >> and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with the simplistic two [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Please don't plagiarize MY work. I haven't plagiarized your work. > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/4674b29449f08fb0?hl=en > Wed, Mar 17 1999 9:00 am So. Even if you said something similar i did not plagiarize anything or anyone. > Androcles. | > | >> Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his 2 clocks (A | > | >> and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with the simplistic two [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] | | I haven't plagiarized your work. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/4674b29449f08fb0?hl=en | > Wed, Mar 17 1999 9:00 am | | So. | Even if you said something similar i did not plagiarize anything or anyone. Just kidding, you are of course correct, but I'm not giving you any credit for originality, it isn't new news:-) You'll notice Dork can't answer, so he attempts to steer the subject away. Most of the relativist trolls emulate him. He is the self-confessed local village idiot: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Dork/classic.htm and a psychopath: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Dork/trojan.htm from which it is clear he can identify computers and their location, hence he knows if you are not who you say you are and that makes him a filthy disgusting potty-mouthed shitheaded liar, not "mistaken" as he claims. He is the perfect examplar of all relativists. Why potty mouthed? http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Dork/shit.htm The words Kellerher quoted are straight from http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/, the words of Einstein himself, which the dork never knew. Watch your back, he has a dirk to stab you if you turn it toward him. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/dirk Function: noun Etymology: Scots durk : a long straight-bladed dagger Androcles. <snip> > Just kidding, you are of course correct, but I'm not giving you any credit > for > originality, it isn't new news:-) yes, I see but it is odd that they go on teaching such junk at uni. > You'll notice Dork can't answer, so he attempts to steer the subject away. > Most of the relativist trolls emulate him. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Androcles. noted tnx | > Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his | > 2 clocks (A and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] | aka Edward Travis, aka Ron Aikas, aka Roy Royce, aka | John Reid? Can't deal with simple algebra, Dork Van de merde, aka the pee puppy aka shithead aka paranoid psychopath aka c.nt? They really are out to get you, moron aka cretin aka imbecile. Androcles | Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his | 2 clocks (A and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] | works out that light path in each direction is different by | an amount equal to (Tb-Ta)v. Yep. http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DominoEffect.GIF Androcles > Einstein wrongly thought he could test sychro between his > 2 clocks (A and B on the moving rod in his 1905 paper) with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > actually different distances thus giving rise to > Ta'-Tb <> Tb-Ta even if the clocks were synchronized. Note that the 1920 paper only characterises for retardation and includes the path as part of the mechanism: << As judged from K, the clock is moving with the velocity v; as judged from this reference-body, the time which elapses between two strokes of the clock is not one second, but () seconds, i.e. a somewhat larger time. As a consequence of its motion the clock goes more slowly than when at rest. >> http://www.bartleby.com/173/12.html That limits the "domain of applicability" to accelerating electrons with Coulomb force as detailed by Fizpatrick: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node50.html > The simplistic argument which many physicists fall for by > suggesting that Einstein was using the c-v and c+v speeds > of light by making the moving frame of the rod stationary > is wrong too because Einstein clearly states in his second > postulate that the velocity of light is always invariant. The concept of an observer dependant SoL is valid. However Einstein omitted the structures that make that possible: http://www.conformity.com/0102reflectionsfig3.gif http://www.conformity.com/0102reflections.html So... we are left with only the raw mechanism responsible for lights propagation delay: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Images/alphaeq.gif http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Constants/alpha.html ~Sun electron shakes: Eye electron shakes 8 min later~ --Feynman > Thus, the rod is in a moving frame and the calculations are > made using simple algebra from the stationary frame and it > works out that light path in each direction is different by > an amount equal to (Tb-Ta)v. Well... it was a nice try anyway. Sue... |
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