SR's time dilation derivations: synopsis
Step One
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Einstein (1905) develops his BEER (Basic Equations of Einstein's Relativity)
and moves one absurdity beyond by asking what is the formula for t' at the
ever-changing x-location of the moving origin.
By substituting from x=vt, thus, he got t' = t/g, which says
dilation/slowing: the moving system t' is less than the stationary system t,
what with g=gamma always being one or greater.
Using the same method, picking out a location-x and substituting in t' =
g(t-vx/cc) we can get the opposite result, time contraction/speeding, and
should.
See "Einstein's dilation derivation: ROFFLMFAO!".
Step Two
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H. Minkowski (1908) took Albert's SR and excreted on it. Where Einstein was
not dumb enough to think space and time some kind of aspect of each other,
Minkowski said: "time and space must fade away".
The result was the space-time fiasco, and the idea that neither the interval
between times nor the interval between locations were meaningful in and of
themselves. Instead, one must consider the space-time interval between some
(x2,t2) 'event' and some other event, (x1,t1) and the corresponding
(x2',t2') and (x1',t1') space-time interval between events.
Taking these events into account, it again is time contraction/speeding that
the BEER call for.
NOT time dilation/slowing.
See "SRian 'events' versus SRian dilation: ROFFLMFAO!".
Step Three
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'Proper Time'.
Why, the puzzled student may have asked, do SR texts show derivations
(screwed up derivations; see "SRian derivations of the BEER; synopsis") from
the primed coordinates (supposedly the 'moving' system coordinates) to the
unprimed coordinates (supposedly the 'stationary' system coordinates)?
The answer lies in 'proper time', in which one calculates with the primed
coordinates representing a stationary system's measures, and the unprimed
coordinates representing the moving system values.
This results in the idea that T'=T/gamma, "it takes more unprimed time than
primed time to measure a time interval", and thus, maintaining the fiction
that the primed values are moving system values, supports the idea of time
dilation/slowing.
However, using M for moving system values and S for stationary system
values, this is the same M/gamma=S that straightforward event-interval
calculations give us: time contraction/speeding in the moving system.
See "SRian "proper time" versus time dilation: ROFFLMFAO!".
Step Four
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"Path Integral"
The path integral calculation that supports the idea that there is time
dilation/slowing for the famous travelling twin is just another form of
proper time calculation, just another fraudulent confabulation of primed
coordinates and 'stationary' sustem values. And, of course, completely
violates the Principle of Relativity, which says that what applies to the
moving twin also applies to the stationary twin.
See "The Twins "path integral" dilation: ROFFLMFAO!".
Discussion
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Whether or not there is a time effect of relative motion, it cannot be
Einstein's. All derivations of the BEER are absurd, either reasoning in
circles or asserting logical contradictions or other algebraic absurdities.
See "SRian derivations of the BEER; synopsis".
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Eric Gisse - 30 May 2006 19:14 GMT
> SR's time dilation derivations: synopsis
I love it when people who don't know what they are talking about write
long, long diatribes about the subject they know nothing of.
> Step One
> ======
> Einstein (1905) develops his BEER (Basic Equations of Einstein's Relativity)
> and moves one absurdity beyond by asking what is the formula for t' at the
> ever-changing x-location of the moving origin.
Translation: Math makes me angry.
> By substituting from x=vt, thus, he got t' = t/g, which says
> dilation/slowing: the moving system t' is less than the stationary system t,
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> not dumb enough to think space and time some kind of aspect of each other,
> Minkowski said: "time and space must fade away".
Neat!
You take Minkowski's quote out of context, and you make an unsupported
assumption about Einstein.
> The result was the space-time fiasco, and the idea that neither the interval
> between times nor the interval between locations were meaningful in and of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Taking these events into account, it again is time contraction/speeding that
> the BEER call for.
Nope.
As I said, it is so *precious* when people write lots of crap when they
are ignorant.
It is trivial by inspection that time dilates - not contracts.
> NOT time dilation/slowing.
Wow! Why should we ask a physicist when we could ask you?
What are your qualifications again? Oh thats right - you have no
education in physics.
[snip]
Ok your idiocy is boring enough. I'm sure you will repost it in a few
more days anyway.
Sue... - 31 May 2006 10:40 GMT
> SR's time dilation derivations: synopsis
>
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>
> See "Einstein's dilation derivation: ROFFLMFAO!".
Two bodies can occupy the same space but not at the
same time. That is all the reason you need to construct
a coordinate system mixing time and space.
> Step Two
> =======
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> See "SRian 'events' versus SRian dilation: ROFFLMFAO!".
Study AC circuits. A good example how imaginary values
have real consequences.
> Step Three
> =======
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> the primed coordinates (supposedly the 'moving' system coordinates) to the
> unprimed coordinates (supposedly the 'stationary' system coordinates)?
Here is a thorougly *tested* example.
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node50.html
"Why" is explained at every step.
> The answer lies in 'proper time', in which one calculates with the primed
> coordinates representing a stationary system's measures, and the unprimed
> coordinates representing the moving system values.
Navigate from the above URL to the relativity section
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node114.html
and read what proper time is... instead of what you think it is.
> This results in the idea that T'=T/gamma, "it takes more unprimed time than
> primed time to measure a time interval", and thus, maintaining the fiction
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> See "The Twins "path integral" dilation: ROFFLMFAO!".
If the twin is larger than an atom, that is probably true:
<< Abstract
Einstein addressed the twin paradox in special relativity
in a relatively unknown, unusual and rarely cited paper
written in 1918, in the form of a dialogue between a
critic and a relativist. Contrary to most textbook versions
of the resolution, Einstein admitted that the special
relativistic time dilation was symmetric for the twins,
and he had to invoke, asymmetrically, the general relativistic
gravitational time dilation during the brief periods
of acceleration to justify the asymmetrical aging.
Notably, Einstein did not use any argument related to
simultaneity or Doppler shift in his analysis. I discuss
Einstein's resolution and several conceptual issues
that arise. It is concluded that Einstein's resolution using
gravitational time dilation suffers from logical and
physical flaws, and gives incorrect answers in a general
setting. The counter examples imply the need to reconsider
many issues related to the comparison of transported
clocks. The failure of the accepted views and
resolutions is traced to the fact that the special relativity
principle formulated originally for physics in empty
space is not valid in the matter-filled universe.
C. S. Unnikrishnan
Gravitation Group,
Tata Institute of Fundamental Research,
Homi Bhabha Road, Mumbai 400 005, India >>
http://www.iisc.ernet.in/currsci/dec252005/2009.pdf
> Discussion
> =======
> Whether or not there is a time effect of relative motion, it cannot be
> Einstein's.
Have you checked with the Register of Deeds? Someone
must own it!
> All derivations of the BEER are absurd, either reasoning in
> circles or asserting logical contradictions or other algebraic absurdities.
Your are right. It would much more logical to explain magnetism
in terms of a magician's tiny wires.
> See "SRian derivations of the BEER; synopsis".
Yep... this is probably all wrong.
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
Sue...
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