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Natural Science Forum / Physics / Relativity / June 2006It seems that ALL atoms are charged capacitors
A capacitor has the positive charges (+) grouped together and the negative charges (-) grouped together LIKEWISE ALL ATOMS (neuclus vs electron shell). If similar charges are not grouped together in a capacitor, the capacitor is uncharged THEREFORE ALL ATOMS ARE LIKE CHARGED CAPACITORS. (All though they're orbitial motion may nullify the charge same as gravity "G" vs orbital velocity) Their super electrostatic effect may have made Bilge Bald? > A capacitor has the positive charges (+) grouped together and the > negative charges (-) grouped together LIKEWISE ALL ATOMS (neuclus vs > electron shell). > > If similar charges are not grouped together in a capacitor, the > capacitor is uncharged THEREFORE ALL ATOMS ARE LIKE CHARGED CAPACITORS. Well almost. They don't come in pretty colors. They don't have any writing on them and they don't bite you when you pick them up. :o) > (All though they're orbitial motion may nullify the charge same as > gravity "G" vs orbital velocity) No... Don't import too much from the 'solar system' visuals. Atoms do a lot of things that a solar system can't do. Electrons aren't heavy enough to account for the force needed inertially. More likely nearby shells are participating as well. Remember how hard it is to find 'nothing'. http://www-ssg.sr.unh.edu/ism/what1.html As with single and ensemble charges, you need several types of visuals in describing something that has more structure than an electron but less structure than a salt crystal. Here are several common alternatives: http://www.miramar.sdccd.cc.ca.us/faculty/fgarces/zCourse/Spring05/Ch100_OL/aMy_ FileLec/04_LecNotes_Ch100/10_AtomicTheory/1002_ElectronConfig/1002_ElectronConfi g.htm Sue... > Their super electrostatic effect may have made Bilge Bald? > A capacitor has the positive charges (+) grouped together and the > negative charges (-) grouped together LIKEWISE ALL ATOMS (neuclus vs > electron shell). Yes, you can think of it that way, but the idea is completely useless. > > A capacitor has the positive charges (+) grouped together and the > > negative charges (-) grouped together LIKEWISE ALL ATOMS (neuclus vs > > electron shell). > > Yes, you can think of it that way, but the idea is completely useless. Them gluons make them behave as already paired, but a game of nuclear pool does split the weaker ones apart. Why are the gluons limitted, since the more protons then the more gluons, yet I believe the atomic shells and elements get weaker as they become larger (uranium, plutonium)? > > > A capacitor has the positive charges (+) grouped together and the > > > negative charges (-) grouped together LIKEWISE ALL ATOMS (neuclus vs [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > gluons, yet I believe the atomic shells and elements get weaker as they > become larger (uranium, plutonium)? Make up your mind. Are you talking about electric charge or quark color? > > > > A capacitor has the positive charges (+) grouped together and the > > > > negative charges (-) grouped together LIKEWISE ALL ATOMS (neuclus vs [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Make up your mind. Are you talking about electric charge or quark > color? Both I guess? The color holds the protons, the protons hold the electrons? It's impossible to have a nucleus of only photons, my weak memory therefore presumes the gluon interaction cannot occur with only photons, therefore the neutrons through the gluon exchange hold the protons together? > > Make up your mind. Are you talking about electric charge or quark > > color? > > Both I guess? The color holds the protons, the protons hold the > electrons? But by the time you get to the level of the proton itself, there's no net color. It's all internal. > It's impossible to have a nucleus of only photons, my weak memory > therefore presumes the gluon interaction cannot occur with only > photons, therefore the neutrons through the gluon exchange hold the > protons together? No, gluons are exchanged between quarks. And it's this combination of quarks and gluons that make up the nucleons. The force holding the nucleons together, strong as it is, is merely a residual force much like Van der Waals. > > > Make up your mind. Are you talking about electric charge or quark > > > color? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > nucleons together, strong as it is, is merely a residual force much > like Van der Waals. residual of which force (the force of the gluons?)? > > > > Make up your mind. Are you talking about electric charge or quark > > > > color? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > residual of which force (the force of the gluons?)? That's correct. The gluons act as the force mediators between individual quarks, binding them together into the individual nucleons. It's only the residual effects of these internal forces that seem to bind nucleons together. > > > > > Make up your mind. Are you talking about electric charge or quark > > > > > color? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > It's only the residual effects of these internal forces that seem to > bind nucleons together. ok but unlike der Waals, is this residual also a gluon exchange (just less gluons are exchanged?) ? > > > > > > Make up your mind. Are you talking about electric charge or quark > > > > > > color? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > ok but unlike der Waals, is this residual also a gluon exchange (just > less gluons are exchanged?) ? Forget about gluon exchanges. That's just a convenient and statistical way of dealing with QCD gauge fields. > > > Make up your mind. Are you talking about electric charge or quark > > > color? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > No, gluons are exchanged between quarks. And it's this combination of > quarks and gluons that make up the nucleons. Ok but what i was asking is how come the gluon residual of the protons (hydrogen) doesn't form a nucleus (and I presume neutrons alone cannot combine into a nucleus)? Therefore it's the gluon residual only between the neutron and proton that forms a nucleus? > The force holding the > nucleons together, strong as it is, is merely a residual force much > like Van der Waals. > > > > Make up your mind. Are you talking about electric charge or quark > > > > color? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Therefore it's the gluon residual only between the neutron and proton > that forms a nucleus? It's the Van der Waals equivalent of the strong interaction that hold nucleons together. > > > > A capacitor has the positive charges (+) grouped together and the > > > > negative charges (-) grouped together LIKEWISE ALL ATOMS (neuclus vs [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Make up your mind. Are you talking about electric charge or quark > color? Actually I wasn't talking about an atomic shell getting weaker with distance from the nucleus but about a nucleus getting weaker (uranium/plutonium less stable then lower atomic numbers) and splitting (nuclear fission). ....Does the residual force of the gluons get weaker with more nucleons? ...otherwise I don't think it's the repulsive charge force since the gluon residual forces and proton repulsive forces should both increase with the number of nucleons in the nucleus? |
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