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A Critical Analysis of Special Relativity

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mluttgens@wanadoo.fr - 24 Jul 2006 16:54 GMT
Worth reading:

Apeiron, Vol. 13, No. 3, July 2006 391
http://redshift.vif.com/current_issue.htm

Or http://perso.orange.fr/mluttgens/
Click on: A Critical Analysis of Special Relativity, by D. Russo

A Critical Analysis of Special Relativity in Light of
Lorentz's and Michelson's Ideas
Daniele Russo E-mail: daniele.russo@fastwebnet.it

"On the basis of the Michelson-Morley experiment, the
physical models of Einstein's and Lorentz's theories are
discussed, together with their respective logical and
mathematical processes, both leading to the same
transformations by Lorentz. Our analysis evidences logical
coherence problems between Einstein's model and the Lorentz
transformations, as well as in the "light postulate" itself.
Replacement of the SRT transformations are thus proposed,
describing apparent space-time alterations due to the relative
motion of a wave source and an observer in a light medium.
The main experimental proofs of SRT are also discussed."

Marcel Luttgens
Bill Hobba - 25 Jul 2006 03:27 GMT
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> coherence problems between Einstein's model and the Lorentz
> transformations,

Since they follow from it such is obviously silly.

Bill

> as well as in the "light postulate" itself.
> Replacement of the SRT transformations are thus proposed,
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> Marcel Luttgens
Paul B. Andersen - 25 Jul 2006 12:49 GMT
> Worth reading:
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> Marcel Luttgens

The author D. Russo is very confused.
His glaring errors are of the most basic kind.
Can't you see that, Marcel?

Paul
mluttgens@wanadoo.fr - 25 Jul 2006 14:03 GMT
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> Paul

Paul, she raises interesting questions about the logical validity
of the SR derivation.

Marcel Luttgens
mluttgens@wanadoo.fr - 25 Jul 2006 14:43 GMT
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Don't miss her conclusions:

"10. Conclusions

Main goal of Special Relativity seems to be demonstrating that, from
its starting two postulates only, it is possible to derive the same
transformations by Lorentz. Our analysis instead proves that this
derivation is not possible, and that Einstein obtains it only thanks to
an ambiguous use of symbols, together with redundant algebraic
operations. Therefore, Lorentz transformations turn out to be
conceptually incompatible with SRT principles, and can be
considered valid only in the ambit of the LET (Lorentz ether theory),
in which they describe real alterations of lengths and light velocity
due to the motion through the ether. Moreover, since the SRT
founding postulate of the c constancy contradicts causal logic, as
shown in paragraph 6, the SRT physical model itself turns out to be
inconsistent, too.
<...>
Our short critical analysis of SRT main experimental proofs shows
that most of them contain tautological processes or/and arbitrary
handling of parameters, like Rossi-Hall and Hafele-Keating ones, and
that those consisting of real and non-reciprocal clock rate alterations
(SRT effects must instead be apparent and reciprocal), or/and
calculated relative to an ideal not rotating Earth -ECI frame (SRT
motion must instead be relative to the observer), which in fact prove
an ether model and not SRT.
Moreover, if objectively judged, all tests on light anisotropy,
Sagnac evidence included, clearly prove an ether model. As to the
proper meaning to attach to all the observed real clock rate
alterations,
our discussion shows that, provided they are not due to clock rate
random deviations, they cannot in principle be considered as real
changes in the flowing of time."

Marcel Luttgens
Harry - 25 Jul 2006 15:27 GMT
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> Marcel Luttgens

- SRT is a principle theory: it uses *no* model (on purpose).
- Modern derivations of SRT that use little more than the PoR are regularly
referred to in this NG.

Harald
Sorcerer - 25 Jul 2006 17:10 GMT
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You are another phuckwit with your head up your arse at all times.
You don't know what a half is or what a constant velocity is.
Androcles.
Paul B. Andersen - 26 Jul 2006 14:22 GMT
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> Marcel Luttgens

She demonstrates a deep confusion from the very beginning.
She doesn't even know what a co-ordinate transform is!
Or worse. She doesn't seem to know what co-ordinates are!

Look at this:
Quote from:
http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V13NO3PDF/V13N3RUS.pdf
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  From the fact that SRT alterations are apparent and subjective, it
  follows that, differently from the Lorentz’s model context, in order to
  unambiguously describe two systems moving relative to one another,
  in SRT, four kinds of symbols are in principle necessary, corresponding
  to the four possible points of view predicted by the SRT model:
  k seen by k, K seen by K, K seen by k and k seen by K.

The "symbols" in question are the co-ordinates of an event.
An event has but one set of co-ordinates in each frame of reference.
There are two frames of reference : k and K.
So how can you have _four_ sets of co-ordinates?
If an event has the co-ordinates (x,y,z,t) in K,
it doesn't matter if you see it from k or K.
The idea that the coordinates of an event in a frame of reference
depend on from where you "see it" reveals a deep confusion.

And she goes on:
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Contradicting the requirement exposed at the end of the previous
 paragraph, both in the SRT first exposition and subsequent ones, in
 order to describe two systems moving “relative” to one another,
 Einstein uses two kinds of symbols only. Particularly, in the 1905
 article, xi, mu, zeta, tau represent the "proper" coordinates of a point
 in the system assumed "at motion" k, and x, y, z, t represent the "improper"
 (apparent) coordinates of the same point, if viewed from the assumed
 "at rest" system K.

What is "apparent" or "improper" by the coordinates in K as opposed
to the coordinates in k?
This is confused nonsense.

So is the rest of the paper.

Paul
Sorcerer - 27 Jul 2006 09:45 GMT
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| She doesn't even know what a co-ordinate transform is!
| Or worse. She doesn't seem to know what co-ordinates are!

You don't know the difference between a B8 sphere and a K2 torus.
Androcles
Sorcerer - 25 Jul 2006 17:10 GMT
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The author A. Einstein is very confused.
His glaring errors are of the most basic kind, such as not knowing what a
half is,
 http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rocket/eq22.A.GIF
or what a constant velocity is:
 http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DominoEffect.GIF
Can't you see that, Tusselad?
No, of course you can't, you keep your head up your arse at all times.
Androcles
 
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