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Natural Science Forum / Physics / Relativity / August 2006Is the Lorentz transformation a simple rotation of coordinate system?
There is an explanation on my site http://vps137.narod.ru/articlea.html It was shown also that the Mickelson-Morley experiment may be treated as the result of Galilean transformation and the way to solve the problem of the "wave-particle dualism" is given. V.Skorobogatov | There is an explanation on my site http://vps137.narod.ru/articlea.html | It was shown also that the Mickelson-Morley experiment may be treated | as the result of Galilean transformation and the way to solve the | problem of the "wave-particle dualism" is given. | | V.Skorobogatov <yawn> Loading Russian sites is SLOW. Don't you guys have anything faster than 56K phone modems? The cuckoo transformation is a goof. http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rocket/Rocket.htm Androcles > <yawn> > Loading Russian sites is SLOW. Don't you guys have anything faster [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rocket/Rocket.htm > Androcles I suspect it is your DNS server, but not our modem is guilty ;>) As for your treatment of TR, I don't share your offronts. Einstein had been wrote his name in the history. He perhaps made errors, but who didn't! He is invented the way to explain reality. May be it is not a single one. V.Skorobogatov Sorcerer ?????(?): > <yawn> > Loading Russian sites is SLOW. Don't you guys have anything faster [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rocket/Rocket.htm > Androcles I suspect it is your DNS server, but not our modem is guilty ;>) As for your treatment of TR, I don't share your offronts. Einstein had been wrote his name in the history. He perhaps made errors, but who didn't! He is invented the way to explain reality. May be it is not a single one. V.Skorobogatov Then we'll just have to agree to differ, I don't share your stupidity. Androcles > Then we'll just have to agree to differ, I don't share your stupidity. > > Androcles So I don't share your soccery too. | > Then we'll just have to agree to differ, I don't share your stupidity. | > | > Androcles | | So I don't share your soccery too. Ok, so go away. *plonk* > | > Then we'll just have to agree to differ, I don't share your stupidity. > | > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > *plonk* I hold abstinence. You are to go away from the group with your soccery. > > Then we'll just have to agree to differ, I don't share your stupidity. > > > > Androcles > > So I don't share your soccery too. I will just warn you against spending to much effort on this 'sorceror' in SPR. :-) PC | > > Then we'll just have to agree to differ, I don't share your stupidity. | > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | | PC I will just warn you that until you can derive the cuckoo transformations they do not exist, fuckhead. :-) http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rocket/Rocket.htm > There is an explanation on my site http://vps137.narod.ru/articlea.html > It was shown also that the Mickelson-Morley experiment may be treated > as the result of Galilean transformation and the way to solve the > problem of the "wave-particle dualism" is given. > > V.Skorobogatov "But we show that the Lorentz transfomation arises as a result of the simple rotation in 3D space, and therefore there is no need to use artificial 4D- space-time. There isn't a time slowdown as well because it can not change under rotation of the coordinate system. There are only the light paths which length changes as they are used as the coordinates in the coordinate systems." -> How would you explain clock retardation such as in the Twin scenario? Harald -> How would you explain clock retardation such as in the Twin scenario? > Harald Supposing it is the experimental fact, it might be pursue its explanation, but if the time is only a parameter to denote the body's movement, there isn't any time retardation at all. May be if the notion of frame reference will be reconsiderd in the model proposed, the answer would be different. V.Skorobogatov > -> How would you explain clock retardation such as in the Twin > scenario? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > V.Skorobogatov Nonsense, Try explaining the way the muons "survive" in reaching the Earth. > Nonsense, > > Try explaining the way the muons "survive" in reaching the Earth. As far as I know the process of muon decay is the only experiment acknowleged for time retardation and there are many other models to explain it. May be it will be a new one in the frame of model proposed. > > Nonsense, > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > acknowleged for time retardation and there are many other models to > explain it. May be it will be a new one in the frame of model proposed. Really? Can you show any? > > > Nonsense, > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Really? Can you show any? Well, I acknowledge that it is an interesting theme and I have faint representation in it still. While experimental data are obscure too (cf.f.e. http://physics.syr.edu/courses/PHY344.06Spring/labs/Measurement_the_muon_lifetime) it is late to make certain statement about it (IMHO). > > > > Nonsense, > > > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > http://physics.syr.edu/courses/PHY344.06Spring/labs/Measurement_the_muon_lifetime) > it is late to make certain statement about it (IMHO). OK, so you can't do any. Then why do you talk nonsense? > > Nonsense, > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > acknowleged for time retardation and there are many other models to > explain it. May be it will be a new one in the frame of model proposed. At least they must include the Lorentz-factor (gamma=1/Sqrt[1-(v/c)^2]), because that one has also been verified. The time dilation (on the lifetime of particles) can also be verified in accelerator experiments, and again the factor gamma is confirmed. You probably know, that Einsteins invention was really the speed-of-light postulate and not the idea of time dilation. From the first (which can however also appear to be a bit strange) the latter can be derived. (Some old posting on TD that I wrote on time dilation derived from Einsteins speed-of-light postulate: news:1155651858.612826.30200@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com" ) If the metric of the 4D Minkowski space was just as for an ordinary rotation like in 3D space, things would have been simpler. There is a minus involved in the 'dot-product', but the operation of the LT in space-time is still called a rotation. PC | > > Nonsense, | > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | time dilation (on the lifetime of particles) can also be verified in | accelerator experiments, and again the factor gamma is confirmed. The cosmic muon decays in 2.2 usec and travels 100km (62 miles) from the top of the atmosphere to sea level. A photon takes far longer, so the muon is faster than light. 151 times faster, PROVING the cuckoo factor is f.cked, just like your head. Androcles > > > Nonsense, > > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > PC Peter! Let us imagine that the lifetime is dependent from velocity. Not due to relativistic effect but to its intrinsic property. In my model the fundamental particle is something like a vortex and its tilt causes its movement. So the gamma is 1/cos(alpha), where alpha is a tilt angle, a characteristic of velocity. When muon is moving, the surface tension on the border of 4D media (or ether,tsi etc) is changing in such a manner that cause it to be more stable. It seems to me more reliable picture then TD. VS |
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