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Natural Science Forum / Physics / Relativity / October 2006Apples
Physics has a lot to say about why and how apples fall from trees. It's quite common to see apples drawn in physics texts - often on the cover. Much importance seems to be attached to them. But I haven't managed to find any physics texts that have much to say about why and how the apples climb trees in the first place. Can anybody give me a reference? It's been suggested to me, in private correspondence, that apples actually build trees for the specific purpose of falling from them. Frankly, I find that to be a ridiculous idea. Any suggestions as to how I can refute it? Barry Dear Barry: > Physics has a lot to say about why and how apples > fall from trees. It's quite common to see apples drawn > in physics texts - often on the cover. Much > importance seems to be attached to them. They help keep the doctor away. > But I haven't managed to find any physics texts that > have much to say about why and how the apples > climb trees in the first place. > > Can anybody give me a reference? This is why doctors are kept away... they fear falling apples. > It's been suggested to me, in private correspondence, > that apples actually build trees for the specific purpose > of falling from them. Frankly, I find that to be a ridiculous > idea. Any suggestions as to how I can refute it? No, but as an aside, elephants get up in oak trees by sitting on acorns. David A. Smith > > But I haven't managed to find any physics texts that > > have much to say about why and how the apples > > climb trees in the first place. > > Can anybody give me a reference? > This is why doctors are kept away... they fear falling apples. You give no references, but I'll let that pass. It would follow that before there were doctors apples didn't climb trees. Unfortunately, the evidence suggests that doctors have existed for 50,000 years at the most and that apples had been climbing trees for several million years before that. > > It's been suggested to me, in private correspondence, > > that apples actually build trees for the specific purpose > > of falling from them. Frankly, I find that to be a ridiculous > > idea. Any suggestions as to how I can refute it? > No, but as an aside, elephants get up in oak trees by sitting on > acorns. If (i) all doctors are afraid of apples. and (ii) all elephants aren't afraid of apples then I suppose we can conclude that no elephants are doctors and no doctors are elephants. The intersection between doctors and elpohants is the empty set. That seems logical, but it's refuted observationally - I've seen doctors eating apples. Therefor it is still possible that some elephants are doctors and vice-versa. Barry Dear Barry: ... > That seems logical, but it's refuted observationally - > I've seen doctors eating apples. Well doctors do train up from the masses... Did you actually see these doctors standing under the applies while eating them? It may have been an attempt at self-defense... or some form of attempt at conditioning for the rest of the population of apples. David A. Smith > > That seems logical, but it's refuted observationally - > > I've seen doctors eating apples. > Did you actually see these doctors standing under the applies while > eating them? It may have been an attempt at self-defense... or some > form of attempt at conditioning for the rest of the population of > apples. You could be right, there was a certain amount of coercion involved. The apples were quite docile, but now you mention it the doctors did seem quite MaD about being used in the experiment. But you can't make an apple pie without breaking a few doctors. Barry | Physics has a lot to say about why and how apples fall from trees. It's | quite common to see apples drawn in physics texts - often on the cover. | Much importance seems to be attached to them. Get a Dell or Compaq then. | But I haven't managed to find any physics texts that have much to say | about why and how the apples climb trees in the first place. | | Can anybody give me a reference? They don't climb, they fall back and come to rest on branches. The Earth weighs 100 grams in the apple's gravitational field. | It's been suggested to me, in private correspondence, that apples | actually build trees for the specific purpose of falling from them. You need to understand spacetime. Nothing expands, everything is everywhere and everywhen. Physics is blind acceptance of believing what you are told, do NOT think. | Frankly, I find that to be a ridiculous idea. Any suggestions as to how | I can refute it? Yes. Get a brain implant. > | Physics has a lot to say about why and how apples fall from trees. It's > | quite common to see apples drawn in physics texts - often on the cover. > | Much importance seems to be attached to them. > Get a Dell or Compaq then. I tried that, but the book covers stayed put. > | But I haven't managed to find any physics texts that have much to say > | about why and how the apples climb trees in the first place. > | Can anybody give me a reference? > They don't climb, they fall back and come to rest on branches. > The Earth weighs 100 grams in the apple's gravitational field. A cycle, that's more or less what I was thinking. > | It's been suggested to me, in private correspondence, that apples > | actually build trees for the specific purpose of falling from them. > You need to understand spacetime. Nothing expands, everything is > everywhere and everywhen. Physics is blind acceptance of believing > what you are told, do NOT think. Then will I become like an apple and understand? > | Frankly, I find that to be a ridiculous idea. Any suggestions as to how > | I can refute it? > Yes. Get a brain implant. But I want infinite knowlege, power and wisdom. That doesn't seem to come from brains. I want to be an apple. And don't try to oppress me by telling me that I can't be one. Barry | > | Physics has a lot to say about why and how apples fall from trees. It's | > | quite common to see apples drawn in physics texts - often on the cover. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | | I tried that, but the book covers stayed put. They would, nothing moves in spacetime including thought. | > | But I haven't managed to find any physics texts that have much to say | > | about why and how the apples climb trees in the first place. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | | A cycle, that's more or less what I was thinking. Try Harley-Davidson. Yamaha are useless, there are 88 keys to play to get a note out of them. | > | It's been suggested to me, in private correspondence, that apples | > | actually build trees for the specific purpose of falling from them. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | | Then will I become like an apple and understand? You are not required to understand, you are required to believe. | > | Frankly, I find that to be a ridiculous idea. Any suggestions as to how | > | I can refute it? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | But I want infinite knowlege, power and wisdom. That doesn't seem to | come from brains. Insert brain in private correspondent's head. Then you'll have infinite knowledge, power and wisdom, he/she knows how to spell "knowledge". | I want to be an apple. Go ahead. You won't need your brain, donate it to research. | And don't try to oppress me by telling me that I can't be one. If I operate a press you'd be scrumpy. > | > Get a Dell or Compaq then. > | I tried that, but the book covers stayed put. > They would, nothing moves in spacetime including thought. And the proof of the apple pie is in the eating. > | > They don't climb, they fall back and come to rest on branches. > | > The Earth weighs 100 grams in the apple's gravitational field. > | A cycle, that's more or less what I was thinking. > Try Harley-Davidson. Yamaha are useless, there are 88 keys > to play to get a note out of them. Damn! I just bought a Yamaha and it only has 61 keys. But there again, I only have 10 fingers. > | Then will I become like an apple and understand? > You are not required to understand, you are required to believe. Seems a bit seedy to me. > | But I want infinite knowlege, power and wisdom. That doesn't seem to > | come from brains. > Insert brain in private correspondent's head. Then you'll have > infinite knowledge, power and wisdom, he/she knows how to spell "knowledge". Wow, thast's the last piece, now I can see it all clearly. Now my goal is to forget, > > I want to be an apple. > Go ahead. You won't need your brain, donate it to research. It never did me much good anyway. > | And don't try to oppress me by telling me that I can't be one. > If I operate a press you'd be scrumpy. I haven't had that for over 40 years. After 11 pints things turned nasty and I saw chips and other things that I'd thought I would never see again. Barry | > | > Get a Dell or Compaq then. | [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | | And the proof of the apple pie is in the eating. That's as English as apple pie. American apples are big and red and... taste like cardboard. | > | > They don't climb, they fall back and come to rest on branches. | > | > The Earth weighs 100 grams in the apple's gravitational field. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | | But there again, I only have 10 fingers. Recycle it. | > | Then will I become like an apple and understand? | | > You are not required to understand, you are required to believe. | | Seems a bit seedy to me. Not a grain of truth, take it with a pinch of salt. | > | But I want infinite knowlege, power and wisdom. That doesn't seem to | > | come from brains. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | | It never did me much good anyway. Scrumpy might do you some bad. | > | And don't try to oppress me by telling me that I can't be one. | [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | nasty and I saw chips and other things that I'd thought I would never | see again. Seedy. |
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