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Natural Science Forum / Physics / Relativity / November 2006simple question thay cant answer
time dilation, make it simple askin tha twin acceleratin away about his time and watch, he will say that there been no problems with his time, time flew as usual askin tha other on earth, he will say similars so no time dilation any place suma sumarum, the theories and the related math are wrong > time dilation, make it simple > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > so no time dilation any place Except when you compare them. > suma sumarum, as simply another incarnation of the dyslexic troll all you are doing, as usual, is demonstrating what an idiot you are. Bill > the theories and the related math are wrong > > time dilation, make it simple > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > as simply another incarnation of the dyslexic troll all you are doing, as > usual, is demonstrating what an idiot you are. Ask him about sound, he's a regular fountain of ignorance.  SignatureThermodynamics claims another crown! -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > time dilation, make it simple > > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Ask him about sound, he's a regular fountain of ignorance. ohh, yeah whay not askin you pretending knowin physics here speed of light limits frequency, in 50 posts long thread, ahaha http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/8278e710978b65f6 then here at last, denying it http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/ae895a76bad7ca73 you two stoopid mothofaka here might feel like sh.t > -- > Thermodynamics claims another crown! > > > time dilation, make it simple > > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Ask him about sound, he's a regular fountain of ignorance. ohh, yeah whay not askin you pretending knowin physics here speed of light limits frequency, in 50 posts long thread, ahaha http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/8278e710978b65f6 then here at last, denying it http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/ae895a76bad7ca73 you two stoopid mothofaka might feel like sh.t > -- > Thermodynamics claims another crown! >> > time dilation, make it simple >> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Ask him about sound, he's a regular fountain of ignorance. No... as I said before, this is no idiot. This is a pseudo. He wants to discredit the real idiots be showing them how stupid idiots can be. He's doing such a lousy job that even the real idiots know this ;-) Dirk Vdm > >> > time dilation, make it simple > >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > No... as I said before, this is no idiot. This is a pseudo. so you know he is not an idiot > He wants to discredit the real idiots be showing them > how stupid idiots can be. > He's doing such a lousy job that even the real idiots > know this ;-) you knowing it, makes you a real idiot, thanks > Dirk Vdm >> >> > time dilation, make it simple >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > you knowing it, makes you a real idiot, thanks QED. Convinced now, Bill and Phineas? :-) Dirk Vdm >>> >> > time dilation, make it simple >>> >> > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > QED. > Convinced now, Bill and Phineas? Yes :-) Thanks Bill > :-) > > Dirk Vdm > > time dilation, make it simple > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Except when you compare them. who is you fool? and compare what? and when? you mean an observer from outside knows better then them self > > suma sumarum, > > as simply another incarnation of the dyslexic troll all you are doing, as > usual, is demonstrating what an idiot you are. no, i demonstrate how idiot _you_ and your friend puddelduck are > Bill > > > the theories and the related math are wrong [...] Why are you doing this again? Did your high school let you out for thanksgiving break? > time dilation, make it simple we try keep it simple, but fool will always fok it up > askin tha twin acceleratin away about his time and watch, > he will say that there been no problems with his time, time > flew as usual then he is fool, as much fool as the fool who measures with crooked ruler and expects to measure the same as all tha other fools > askin tha other on earth, he will say similars he will say other twin is fool and you are also fool > so no time dilation any place no, your fokup > suma sumarum, the theories and the related math are wrong suma sumarum, how is it feel to be a fool > > time dilation, make it simple > > we try keep it simple, but fool will always fok it up who is "we" you foken stoooped fool, how many of you are brainless but still alive overthere > > askin tha twin acceleratin away about his time and watch, > > he will say that there been no problems with his time, time > > flew as usual > > then he is fool, as much fool as the fool who measures with crooked > ruler and expects to measure the same as all tha other fools whay he fool and you a beautiful lady, and whay a ruler he measure evt his dick with tha ruler he has, no difrence, he is doin your sister in she a.s as he always did, same amplitude same frequency same friction, his detectors and computers detect no difrencies > > askin tha other on earth, he will say similars > > he will say other twin is fool and you are also fool becus tha other twin did yuor sister in she a.s then you taken pictures? whay else > > so no time dilation any place > > no, your fokup where is tha fokup you stoopid suckup my fokup? > > suma sumarum, the theories and the related math are wrong > > suma sumarum, how is it feel to be a fool > > > time dilation, make it simple > > > > we try keep it simple, but fool will always fok it up > > who is "we" you foken stoooped fool, how many of > you are brainless but still alive overthere foolish fool, the cabal does not reveal its numbers to just any fool > > > askin tha twin acceleratin away about his time and watch, > > > he will say that there been no problems with his time, time [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > whay he fool any fool can tell if the fool is accelerated or not a worldline with an acceleration in it will measure less time than a straight one, fool > and you a beautiful lady, and whay a ruler do you finally have some sense every fool knows that minkowski showed how to explain special relativity as geometry of space and time, fool any fool who can plot space against time can see how an accelerated twin is like a crooked ruler time ^ | \ | \ | \ | / | / | / +-------------> distance you just have to plot tha points, you foolish fool > he measure evt his dick with tha ruler he has, no difrence, he > is doin your sister in she a.s as he always did, same > amplitude same frequency same friction, his detectors and > computers detect no difrencies it is an analogy fool time to twin as distance to ruler dont be such a fool > > > askin tha other on earth, he will say similars > > > > he will say other twin is fool and you are also fool > > becus tha other twin did yuor sister in she a.s then > you taken pictures? whay else whatever fool, i burning your dog make your time, fool > > > so no time dilation any place > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > suma sumarum, how is it feel to be a fool fool [...] > any fool who can plot space against time can see how an > accelerated twin is like a crooked ruler [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > you just have to plot tha points, you foolish fool When is proper time improper? http://www.nrao.edu/~smyers/courses/astro12/speedoflight.html http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node114.html Sue... [...] > When is proper time improper? > > http://www.nrao.edu/~smyers/courses/astro12/speedoflight.html > http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node114.html http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061112081634AA05uYz http://www.cvtips.com/career_advice_forum/what-is-the-proper-time-vt2316.html http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/Give+Proper+Time+of+Day+(Alabama+Public+Sa fety+Radio+Code) > Sue... > > [...] SignatureJim > > When is proper time improper? > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Jim Your right! Money talks and .com trumps .edu any day of the week. Crossing those "i"s out of a complex number sure is a lot easier that all that trig BS that they teach in schools. Sue... > > > When is proper time improper? > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Your right! I disagree. For me to be right, this would have to be an argument. This was a game where see who can post the most random links. (Now that I'm making a claim about the nature of the game, it's an argument. Or maybe a meta-argument.) > Money talks and .com trumps .edu any day of the week. Oh, I see, the game is to come up with random authoritative sources, not just *any* random links. I'll keep that in mind the next time we play. (Ed Conrad is really good at this game; you should see the lists of newspapers and universities he posts.) > Crossing those "i"s out of a complex number sure is a lot easier > that all that trig BS that they teach in schools. Well, if you say so ... > > > > When is proper time improper? > > > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > not just *any* random links. I'll keep that in mind the next time we > play. The first URL explains where your are mixing imaginaries and reals the in your evaluation of the world line. The second is a complete formalism of the same. Sue... > (Ed Conrad is really good at this game; you should see the lists of > newspapers and universities he posts.) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Well, if you say so ... > > > > > When is proper time improper? > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The second is a complete formalism of the same. That first link is giving me an error message, so you may need to explain your point yourself. You do realize that in the post you responded to, I was using an analogy, not showing how to do a calculation, right? > > > > > > When is proper time improper? > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > responded to, I was using an analogy, not showing how to do a > calculation, right? Yes... I had the same problem over the weekend. Have to assume that radio astronomers give their servers a little time off. It seem to be be back up now. Sue... > > > > > > > When is proper time improper? > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > assume that radio astronomers give their servers a little time off. > It seem to be be back up now. Well, since you haven't stated your point, I'm going to make a point up for you, and if my point wasn't your point, it's too bad. (As Tom Potter would say, "Sue makes a good point!") Your point will be that Lorentzian geometry is different than Euclidean geometry (the difference boils down to some factors of i). Now that is true. However, I was making an *analogy*. Both Lorentzian and Euclidean geometry admit the concept of a straight line, and in neither geometry would we expect the measure of a straight line to equal that of a crooked line. After all, they're different paths. Why would we expect their measure to be the same? Thus the analogy holds for the question under consideration. > > > > > > > > When is proper time improper? > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > their measure to be the same? Thus the analogy holds for the question > under consideration. It appered to me you were taking a space-time interval to be purely temporal. It is a common mistake because the the term "proper time" implies a purely temporal displacement. It is not in four space. When you instead call it "Mixed interval" and let the equations speak for themselves without semantic conversions, the twins will share all the birthdays they shake hands at, regardless of their previous motion. Sue... >> Well, since you haven't stated your point, I'm going to make a point up >> for you, and if my point wasn't your point, it's too bad. (As Tom [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sue... So what is the spatial length of your world-line since you were born, Sue? Paul > >> Well, since you haven't stated your point, I'm going to make a point up > >> for you, and if my point wasn't your point, it's too bad. (As Tom [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > Sue... << So what is the spatial length of your world-line since you were born, Sue? >> I am not telling 'till you post your attendance record from your telekinesis classes. Sue... > Paul >>>> Well, since you haven't stated your point, I'm going to make a point up >>>> for you, and if my point wasn't your point, it's too bad. (As Tom [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Sue... You are not telling me because you don't even understand the question. Paul > >>>> Well, since you haven't stated your point, I'm going to make a point up > >>>> for you, and if my point wasn't your point, it's too bad. (As Tom [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > You are not telling me because you don't even understand the question. It appers you should be an expert by now: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/search?q=garden+hose& 'paradox' of twin paradox ... It is not my claim that the number of marbles in a garden hose can magically change. ... If you have a bag of marbles and a garden hose that behaves otherwise... ... Mar 2, 2:18 am by Paul B. Andersen - 90 messages - 19 authors http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thread/707a1953 cb740d70/2b8ae1402313f437?lnk=gst&q=garden+hose&rnum=3#2b8ae1402313f437 Short memory ? Sue... > Paul >>>>>> Well, since you haven't stated your point, I'm going to make a point up >>>>>> for you, and if my point wasn't your point, it's too bad. (As Tom [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Short memory ? Quite the contrary. I remember that you have fled every time you have been asked to substantiate your claims, as you so vividly demonstrated in the thread above. My question: | Why does the obvious fact that the two twins will count | the same number of orbits of the Jovian moons prove that | they age equally much? was never answered. You never made a serious attempt to answer the question, you fled by stating stupidities like these: Sue wrote: | My heart doesn't stop beating when I remove | the watche's battery so I suspect some sort | of disconnect. Sue wrote: | It doesn't matter how I know my age because I | will lie about it anyway. :o) Sue wrote: | It is not my claim that the number of marbles in | a garden hose can magically change. I claim the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | that behaves otherwise... DO post some pictures | and details. But thanks for reminding me. Maybe you will have another attempt to answer the question? It still is: | Why does the obvious fact that the two twins will count | the same number of orbits of the Jovian moons prove that | they age equally much? Paul [...] > It still is: > | Why does the obvious fact that the two twins will count > | the same number of orbits of the Jovian moons prove that > | they age equally much? Post your question on a biology list. The only relation between physics and facial hair is that sometimes the better physicicists have more of it. :o) Sue... > Paul Paul B. Andersen wrote: > [...] > > > It still is: > | Why does the obvious fact that the two twins will count > | the same number of orbits of the Jovian moons prove that > | they age equally much? Since you resolved observer dependent light speed with telekinisis instead of nearfield wave impedance, you are now stuck with a cell phone that won't radiate unless the universe expands, and a clock comprised of hair folicles to provide enough ambiguity to hide your an absurd notions. Learn some physics: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching.html http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/visualizations/light/index.htm Sue... > Paul B. Andersen wrote: >> [...] > > It still is: >> | Why does the obvious fact that the two twins will count >> | the same number of orbits of the Jovian moons prove that >> | they age equally much? [unsnip] You never made a serious attempt to answer the question, you fled by stating stupidities like these: > Since you resolved observer dependent light speed with > telekinisis instead of nearfield wave impedance, you are [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sue... Paul > > Paul B. Andersen wrote: > >> [...] [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You never made a serious attempt to answer the question, > you fled by stating stupidities like these: What is it you don't understand about the operation of an abacus? ...or a pair of them? Try to rephrase your question in a concise manner and we'll try to answer it. ...and learn some physics: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching.html http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/visualizations/light/index.htm Sue... > > Since you resolved observer dependent light speed with > > telekinisis instead of nearfield wave impedance, you are > > now stuck with a cell phone that won't radiate unless > > the universe expands, and a clock comprised of hair folicles > > to provide enough ambiguity to hide your an absurd notions. > > Sue... > > Paul > [...] >> It still is: >> | Why does the obvious fact that the two twins will count >> | the same number of orbits of the Jovian moons prove that >> | they age equally much? [unsnip] You never made a serious attempt to answer the question, you fled by stating stupidities like these: > Post your question on a biology list. > The only relation between physics and facial hair is that > sometimes the better physicicists have more of it. :o) > > Sue... Paul > > [...] > >> It still is: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > [unsnip] << You never made a serious attempt to answer the question, you fled by stating stupidities like these: >> Do you understand the difference in biology and physics? Put your question on a list that gives a s***. or google for it. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22aging+process%22&btnG=Search Sue... > > Post your question on a biology list. > > The only relation between physics and facial hair is that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Paul >>>> It still is: >>>> | Why does the obvious fact that the two twins will count >>>> | the same number of orbits of the Jovian moons prove that >>>> | they age equally much? >> You never made a serious attempt to answer the >> question, you fled by stating stupidities like these: >> > Do you understand the difference in biology and physics? > Put your question on a list that gives a s***. or google [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sue... Quite. And like these: >>> Post your question on a biology list. >>> The only relation between physics and facial hair is that >>> sometimes the better physicicists have more of it. :o) >>> >>> Sue... >> Paul Sue, YOU brought up the thread: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thread/707a1953 cb740d70/2b8ae1402313f437?lnk=gst&q=garden+hose&rnum=3#2b8ae1402313f437 where I asked the never answered question quoted above. But as you never read the references you give, I will have to put my question in context: The context is the twin paradox, where the twins Sui and Lui are shown to age differently. Sue wrote: | Sui and Lui watch the same shows on cable television and | count the same total orbits of Jupiter's moons. | That is a bigger hint. Paul B. Andersen responded: | So you say over and over, but you cannot explain why. | [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | You won't answer of course. | You never do. So far, I have been right about that. But I can rephrase my question: Sue, when you stated: << Sui and Lui watch the same shows on cable television and count the same total orbits of Jupiter's moons. That is a bigger hint. what exactly did you mean by that? Since you now are pretending not to know what "age" means, you cannot have meant that the obvious fact that the two twins will count the same number of orbits of the Jovian moons prove that they age equally much. So what _did_ you mean? Nothing? Were you babbling? I know of course that you will flee the question by remarks you find witty, or by stating stupidities again. You never even try to give a sensible answer. Or do you? We'll see. Paul > >>>> It still is: > >>>> | Why does the obvious fact that the two twins will count [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >>> Sue... > >> Paul << Sue, YOU brought up the thread: >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thread/707a1953 cb740d70/2b8ae1402313f437?lnk=gst&q=garden+hose&rnum=3#2b8ae1402313f437 Yeah... I noticed physics and biology seems a little troubling for you so I tho't you might find history a bit easier to grasp. > where I asked the never answered question quoted above. > But as you never read the references you give, [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Or do you? > We'll see. The archives of this group don't really hold any attraction for me but I'm happy to see you've found something you can handle. That biology of hair growth on twins IS rough isn't it? It's a good job you didn't run off to one of those biology groups with all the yucky stuff that leaks out of frogs just to learn how to make a clock with a hair shaft. I know how to make a hygrometer with a hair shaft but I wouldn't trust it as a wrist watch. Sue... > Paul ... >> I know of course that you will flee the question by >> remarks you find witty, or by stating stupidities again. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > make a clock with a hair shaft. I know how to make a hygrometer > with a hair shaft but I wouldn't trust it as a wrist watch. ... Paul, here is one that might be easier to understand. Hui, Lui and Dui are three identical triplets, born at the exact same time. They are inhabitants of a perfectly spherical earthsized planet named Sueli that orbits a Sol sized sun in a perfectly circular orbit. Their race is a bit different from our in that they alway have the exact same heart rate [one beat per Suelian second] when measured against any Sueli based clock, provided the clock and the Suelian are stationary upon the surface of Sueli. They have discovered that whenever a Suelian and a clock are in a common inertial frame of reference, their pulse rate remains constant when measure against the co-moving clock. Suelians live exactly one billion heart beats. Hui takes a round trip to a star that is 4 ly away at an average speed (absolute value thereof) of .9 c. Lui remains stationary on the surface of Sueli. and Dui take a trip on a circum-equitorial train that travels in an evacuated cavity, at sea level, around the equator of the planet, at a constant velocity sufficient to just cancel the force of gravity. Lui rides on the train from the moment that Hui departs until the moment that Hui returns. After the return, the three live together until they die, each at the normal 1 billion heart beats. Phoie, who grew up with Hui, Lui and Dui (but was born several 'years' later than them) is quite surprised to find that they do NOT all die at exactly the same time as any normal 'stay at home Suelian triplets' would have done. Phoie, who has never heard of SR or GR is at a total loss to understand why. Can you explain to Phoie what happened and why? Signaturebz please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an infinite set. bz+spr@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap > ... > >> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Can you explain to Phoie what happened and why? Nice try Dr. BZ, M.D. Hui, Lui and Dui all have heart pacemakers triggered by equal lengths of cable (or garden hoses or whatever abacus mechanism suits your fancy) connecting to a common oscillator. Cable televison is multiplexed on all the cables so none will miss a single episode of Dr. Who. :o) Sue... > -- > bz [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > bz+spr@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap >> ... >>>> I know of course that you will flee the question by [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Nice try Dr. BZ, M.D. And since you cannot refute that the triplets would die at different times, you have to change the scenario completely: > Hui, Lui and Dui all have heart pacemakers triggered by equal > lengths of cable (or garden hoses or whatever abacus mechanism > suits your fancy) connecting to a common oscillator. But you have no comment related to bz's scenario. You do however add the nonsense you apparently find witty: > Cable televison is multiplexed on all the cables so > none will miss a single episode of Dr. Who. :o) > > Sue... What you never do, is to give a sensible comment related to the posting you are responding to. Paul > >> ... > >>>> I know of course that you will flee the question by [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > But you have no comment related to bz's scenario. I take bz at his word. If he says synchronised alien heart beats are more trustworthy than an abacus it must be true. Ya can't make stuff like that up ya know. > You do however add the nonsense you apparently find witty: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > What you never do, is to give a sensible comment related > to the posting you are responding to. Alien heart beats trump an abacus ? I belive this applies: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pseudo.html Sue... > Paul >>>> ... >>>>>> I know of course that you will flee the question by [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > Sue... "What you never do, is to give a sensible comment related to the posting you are responding to." QED Paul | ... | >> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] | | Can you explain to Phoie what happened and why? Not without disagreeing with Dork Van de psycho, he can't. "That is, we can reverse the directions of the frames which is the same as interchanging the frames, which - as I have told you a LOT of times, OBVIOUSLY will lead to the transform: t = (tau-xi*v/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) x = (xi - v*tau)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) or: tau = (t+xv/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) xi = (x + vt)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)" -Paul B. Andersen We use 3 inertial reference frames because Dork's brain in inert. S: The frame of the "stay at home" twin. S': The frame of the "outbound part of the trip". S": The frame of the "inbound part of the trip". http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/TwinsEvents.html You shitheads ought to agree, but you are caught out every time. Androcles. > They have discovered that whenever a Suelian and a clock are in a common > inertial frame of reference, their pulse rate remains constant when measure > against the co-moving clock. BTW... Can you show us where inertial reference frames have anything to do with resolution of SR's postulates in the 1920 paper? http://www.bartleby.com/173/ Sue... > ... >>> I know of course that you will flee the question by [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > exactly the same time as any normal 'stay at home Suelian triplets' would > have done. And Phoie would see Lui die first, then Dui, and Hui last. > Phoie, who has never heard of SR or GR is at a total loss to understand > why. > > Can you explain to Phoie what happened and why? Phoie seems to have a lot in common with Sue. And then any explanation would be futile. Paul >>>>>> It still is: >>>>>> | Why does the obvious fact that the two twins will count [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > Sue... We have seen. Paul > time dilation, make it simple > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > suma sumarum, the theories and the related math are wrong Don't you find it extremely amusing that you can attempt to disprove the math without actually actually using any? Your ideas are silly. > > time dilation, make it simple > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Don't you find it extremely amusing that you can attempt to disprove > the math without actually actually using any? Your ideas are silly. physics, not math math is a brain biproduct, has nothing to do with physics In sci.physics.relativity, vick <j6swg9k5f2s1uj@alumnidirector.com> wrote on 17 Nov 2006 16:42:40 -0800 <1163810560.711557.82830@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>: > time dilation, make it simple > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > suma sumarum, the theories and the related math are wrong Ah, but when they get back together the watches don't compare. Hence the paradox. Admittedly, there's not going to be that much delta, even were we to build a relativistic spacecraft that can go about 0.10c (the best we can do without antimatter or invention of some weird new form of power source a la Fred Saberhagen's "C-plus drive" or extremely light fuel tanks and a *lot* of hydrogen). As usually presented, the flying twin's watch will advance by 2L/(gv), the stationary twin's watch by 2L/v, where L - length (as measured from Earth) of the far point v - near-constant speed g - 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2), the gamma correction factor If one carefully counts clock pulses, remembering that for every second at home sqrt(1-v/c)/sqrt(1+v/c) seconds are seen by the twin as he's flying away from Earth, and sqrt(1+v/c)/sqrt(1-v/c) as he's flying back, everything adds up. I'd have to find a Message-ID of one of my posts, but I've already done this. (Note that these ratios are also derivable from the Lorentz, as one must keep in mind that each twin is forever locked into his coordinate system; a light ray must travel a little extra or a little less distance.) The Hafele-Keating results are a validation to some extent of the Twin Paradox (the Earth's gravity gets involved as well, complicating things). And yes, there are those on this newsgroup that consider this totally cuckoo. Maybe it is...but so far it fits the experimental results extremely well. Signature#191, ewill3@earthlink.net Conventional memory has to be one of the most UNconventional architectures I've seen in a computer system. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com See the Wikibook on relativity: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special_Relativity > time dilation, make it simple > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > suma sumarum, the theories and the related math are wrong See a psychiatrist. Androcles | See the Wikibook on relativity: | [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] | > | > suma sumarum, the theories and the related math are wrong |
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