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Natural Science Forum / Physics / Relativity / January 2007



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massless phonons

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armin van mortel - 26 Jan 2007 20:42 GMT
i dont knoe about photons, but phonons has no mass

can you weight a phonon? you cant, can you?

consequently, you can trap a photon becus is heavy matterial,
but you never can trap a phonon
Peter Christensen - 27 Jan 2007 11:48 GMT
>i dont knoe about photons, but phonons has no mass

True.

> can you weight a phonon? you cant, can you?

No, gravity doesn't affect the photon.

> consequently, you can trap a photon becus is heavy matterial,
> but you never can trap a phonon

It always moves with the velocity c. But you can trap a photon between two
mirrors. In principle you can measure the weight of this system, both with
and without photon(s). There shouldn't be any difference...

Pete
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Photons: E=h*f & p=h/lambda & f*lambda=c
& E^2=p^2*c^2+m^2*c^4 => m=0 (Sorry) :-)
vic - 27 Jan 2007 15:09 GMT
On Jan 27, 12:48 pm, "Peter Christensen" <p...@peterchristensen.eu>
wrote:

> >i dont knoe about photons, but phonons has no mass

>True.

its obvious, you are so stupid you dont even know
what a phonon is

so your true is true for your foken yourself

> > can you weight a phonon? you cant, can you?No, gravity doesn't affect the photon.
>
> > consequently, you can trap a photon becus is heavy matterial,
> > but you never can trap a phononIt always moves with the velocity c. But you can trap a photon between two
> mirrors. In principle you can measure the weight of this system, both with
> and without photon(s). There shouldn't be any difference...

no sh.t, now tell us that photons doesnt even has
momentum

> Pete
> ________________________________________
> Photons: E=h*f & p=h/lambda & f*lambda=c
> & E^2=p^2*c^2+m^2*c^4 => m=0 (Sorry) :-)
Y.Porat - 30 Jan 2007 07:44 GMT
On Jan 27, 1:48 pm, "Peter Christensen" <p...@peterchristensen.eu>
wrote:

> >i dont knoe about photons, but phonons has no massTrue.
>
> > can you weight a phonon? you cant, can you?No, gravity doesn't affect the photon.

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wrong experimentally (actually cheating!!

a photon that moves next to the sun is devited
(attracted to the sun)!!!!
at least qualitatively
and no onme is responsible for the fucken cheating
calculations that deny it qualitatively
because knowing a f.ck about behaviour
of photons!!
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> > consequently, you can trap a photon becus is heavy matterial,
> > but you never can trap a phononIt always moves with the velocity c. But you can trap a photon between two
> mirrors. In principle you can measure the weight of this system, both with
> and without photon(s). There shouldn't be any difference...
> -----------------------
trap or not trap
completely irrelevant!!!

you cant trapp a neutrino
the f.cker physicists claimed a long time
that it is massless
and at the end it was found to be massive!!

the f.cker physicists' do you understand untill now:THAT

NO MASS -- NO REAL PHYSICS !!!
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> Pete
> ________________________________________
> Photons: E=h*f & p=h/lambda & f*lambda=c
> & E^2=p^2*c^2+m^2*c^4 => m=0 (Sorry) :-)
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the mass and momentum formula
DOES NOT APPLY TO THE PHOTON!!

that is another thing those f.ckers(mathematicians )
has to  learn
it will take time yet
even those f.ckers will learn it

ATB
Y.Porat
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Paul B. Andersen - 29 Jan 2007 21:44 GMT
> i dont knoe about photons, but phonons has no mass
>
> can you weight a phonon? you cant, can you?
>
> consequently, you can trap a photon becus is heavy matterial,
> but you never can trap a phonon

You are deaf, right?

Paul
Mucho Grande - 29 Jan 2007 22:06 GMT
On Jan 29, 10:44 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
<paul.b.ander...@hiadeletethis.no> wrote:
> > i dont knoe about photons, but phonons has no mass
>
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>
> Paul

let me know when you can weight a phonon

you need to trap him at zero speed then wight it, then
let him fly away, and i should hear its sound

you can do that with photons, do the same with phonons,

can you? you cant

consequently photons has mass whille phonons has not
 
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