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Keyhole Physics - 24 Feb 2007 04:48 GMT
Professor solves Einstein's twin paradox
http://media.www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2007/02/23/News/Pro
fessor.Solves.Einsteins.Twin.Paradox-2739430.shtml


Months after having a flash of inspiration under the summer heat,
Subhash Kak has resolved one of physics' most famous puzzles -
Einstein's twin paradox.

The International Journal of Theoretical Physics,
a peer-reviewed journal that focuses on original research
and reviews in theoretical physics and neighboring fields,
published Kak's findings.

The paradox, which is based on a thought experiment,
involves two twins, one of whom sets out on a journey
into space and returns to Earth.

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy defines a thought experiment
as a device of the imagination used to investigate the nature of things.

According to the theory of general relativity,
the twin who leaves Earth will experience a
slowing down of time because of acceleration.
This means the twin on Earth will appear to
have aged a lot more than the one in space.

This phenomenon is considered a paradox because
special relativity theory shows that either
twin could be taken to be at rest with respect
to the other twin.

Kak, distinguished professor of electrical and
computer engineering, in his introduction to the
article, said the diversity and mutual inconsistency
of the offered solutions only reinforces the
reality of the paradox within relativity.

"The time appears to have come to look very hard
at things that have been taken to be settled," Kak said.

The most popular explanations for the paradox include
those based on doppler shifts, spacetime diagrams and
general relativity.

Kak said his solution uses an analysis based on probability
to determine which of the twins is really moving with respect
to the far corners of the universe, that is the distant stars.

Kak said his resolution brings into the problem the idea
that motion cannot be spoken of in isolation.

"This is something called Mach's principle, which makes
the framework much more sound, logically," Kak said.

Paul Davies, an astrophysicist at Arizona State University,
in an article for Guardian online said Mach's principle
requires that acceleration can be defined only relative
to the distant stars.

Bradley Schaefer, associate physics professor,
said there was no paradox in Einstein's special
relativity theory if the mathematics were carefully
followed through.

Schaefer, who had not read the article by the time of
the interview, said experiments using atomic clocks
have consistently proved that special relativity is correct:
basically, from the point of view of someone at rest
moving clocks are slow.

"Suppose a student looked at the time on the Memorial tower clock
and his watch, both would read the same time," Schaefer explained.
"Now suppose, an alien picked up the clock and started
accelerating upward, if the student compared his watch to
the clock, the watch would appear to be faster."

Schaefer said doubts about the theory persist because
the idea is counterintuitive as effects due to relativity
kick in only when an object attains a velocity near the
speed of light - a speed which is not experienced under
normal circumstances.

"There is no viable alternative to special relativity,"
Schaefer said.

David Finkelstein, professor emeritus at the
Georgia Institute of Technology, in an e-mail said
he prefers not to use the term "paradox," but that
new resolutions for the observation were needed.

Click to view David Ritz's Web site.
http://www.physics.gatech.edu/people/faculty/dfinkelstein.html

"Why institutionalize the viewpoint of an inaccurate
theory when the better theory is available?" Finkelstein said.

Kak said his article does not dispute special relativity,
rather that it was interested only in identifying inertial
frames - a frame that moves at constant speed.

Kak's work may impact quantum communications
because atomic clocks on board communication satellites
rotating around the globe move at speeds that
are fast enough so as to have possible effects on their accuracy.

John Stachel, director of Center for Einstein Studies at
Boston University, said it takes time for ideas like Kak's
to be accepted into the scientific canon.

"But I will say that mere publication in a journal -
even a peer-reviewed one - is no guarantee of the
accuracy of the results, nor of their significance,"
Stachel said in an e-mail. "A much longer period of
testing and evaluation after publication is needed until
these things can be settled."
karandash2000@yahoo.com - 24 Feb 2007 04:59 GMT
> Professor solves Einstein's twin paradoxhttp://media.www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2007/02/...
>
[quoted text clipped - 108 lines]
> testing and evaluation after publication is needed until
> these things can be settled."

"Numerus stultorum infinitum est"

le Cardinal de Richelieu

(in translation: there is an infinite number of imbeciles)
karandash2000@yahoo.com - 24 Feb 2007 05:03 GMT
> Professor solves Einstein's twin paradoxhttp://media.www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2007/02/...

It is not a paradox, therefore "kaka" could not have "solved" it

> This phenomenon is considered a paradox because
> special relativity theory shows that either
> twin could be taken to be at rest with respect
> to the other twin.

Umm, no. Their frames are NOT symmetric. Perhaps if "kaka" read wiki
before publishing this sh.t , he would have known:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox

<rest of the vomit snipped>
Keyhole Physics - 24 Feb 2007 05:43 GMT
> > Professor solves Einstein's twin paradoxhttp://media.www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2007/02/...
> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox

Where is the asymmetry in mu-meson time dilation?
http://www.egglescliffe.org.uk/physics/relativity/muons1_.html
karandash2000@yahoo.com - 24 Feb 2007 06:00 GMT
> karandash2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Where is the asymmetry in mu-meson time dilation?http://www.egglescliffe.org.uk/physics/relativity/muons1_.html

Imbecile, we are talking the twin "paradox" reference frames.
You wouldn't happen to be "professor" Kaka advertising your "wares"?
This type of sh.t happens all the time on this website. So why don't
you f.ck off?
Keyhole Physics - 24 Feb 2007 06:18 GMT
> > karandash2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> This type of sh.t happens all the time on this website. So why don't
> you f.ck off?

What? You don't believe in the Big Boomerang?
Martin Hogbin - 24 Feb 2007 09:34 GMT
> > > Professor solves Einstein's twin paradoxhttp://media.www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2007/02/...
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Where is the asymmetry in mu-meson time dilation?
> http://www.egglescliffe.org.uk/physics/relativity/muons1_.html

Where is the paradox?

Martin Hogbin
The Ghost In The Machine - 24 Feb 2007 05:49 GMT
In sci.physics.relativity, Keyhole Physics
<Keyhole@nospam.com>
wrote
on Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:48:58 -0000
<12tvgtq259ihd6c@corp.supernews.com>:
> Professor solves Einstein's twin paradox
> http://media.www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2007/02/23/News/Pro
fessor.Solves.Einsteins.Twin.Paradox-2739430.shtml

>
> Months after having a flash of inspiration under the summer heat,
> Subhash Kak has resolved one of physics' most famous puzzles -
> Einstein's twin paradox.

[rest snipped]

Puzzle?  What puzzle?  Count the ticks.

Twin #1 launches self in rocket.  He will travel L / g length units.
(g = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) ).  He will age L/(gv) time units.
He will see (L/(gv)) * sqrt(1-v/c)/sqrt(1+v/c)
ticks from Earth as he goes out to the star, because of
a combination of the Doppler effect and time dilation.

On the way back, he'll see (L/(gv)) * sqrt(1+v/c)/sqrt(1+v/c) ,
for similar reasons.

Add them up and we get:

L/(gv) * (sqrt(1+v/c)/sqrt(1-v/c) + sqrt(1-v/c)/sqrt(1+v/c))
= L/(gv) * (1/sqrt(1+v/c)) * (1/sqrt(1-v/c))
        * ( (1+v/c) + (1 - v/c) )

= 2L/v

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Androcles - 24 Feb 2007 08:16 GMT
> Professor solves Einstein's twin paradox
> http://media.www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2007/02/23/News/Pro
fessor.Solves.Einsteins.Twin.Paradox-2739430.shtml

>
> Months after having a flash of inspiration
[snip crap]

Much Ado About Nothing.
 http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DominoEffect.GIF
Richard Hachel - 24 Feb 2007 14:33 GMT
> Professor solves Einstein's twin paradox

http://hachel.chez-alice.fr/stella.htm

R.H.
Paul B. Andersen - 27 Feb 2007 20:54 GMT
> Professor solves Einstein's twin paradox
> http://media.www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2007/02/23/News/Pro
fessor.Solves.Einsteins.Twin.Paradox-2739430.shtml

[quoted text clipped - 110 lines]
> testing and evaluation after publication is needed until
> these things can be settled."

Read the paper:
http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0605/0605199.pdf
Here are a couple of quotes:
<<
 Consider an observer, A, who is at rest at origin O of
 an inertial frame. Observer, B, is also at rest with respect
 to the same frame. Now B quickly accelerates and then moves
 off at uniform velocity and after reaching a point C, he
 reverses his direction and returns to O with the same velocity.

...
<<
 Having seen that the uniform motion with respect to
 the distant stars is detectable, it is possible to determine
 which of the two twins is to be taken to be inertial.
 This means that the slowing down of clocks is a consequence
 of the universe not being perfectly isotropic to it.

Do I have to say more? :-)

Paul
Douglas Eagleson - 28 Feb 2007 19:42 GMT
A study of science to determine the cause of time dialation is a real
good topic.  And to use the principle of MACH and the applied universe
size to infer reference frame is a profound insight.

All it has to do is agree with special relativity.

The exact inference is then able to be utilized for further study. The
auther just might need some theorectical analysis of method to allow
the formal theory of universe to frame to be formally accepted!

Hopefully it is well written.

> Professor solves Einstein's twin paradoxhttp://media.www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2007/02/...
>
> Months
Douglas Eagleson - 28 Feb 2007 20:00 GMT
It read the paper and it uses an implied size and does not reference
MACH.  A theory is a.

And I used the letter a, to signify the degree of difficulty in
reading the paper.

A symbol is introduced routinely to, "a".  And the "a" in the paper
refers!  A small test of absolute frame relation was devised.  And to
"refer" is the probability.  He does not truely make the test claim,
but one is used.

I am a philosophy student that likes to look for the inside
discoveries.  And the refer mathematical function was tested.  Just
look for the ratio of absolute doppler.  When he uses this a simple
function is apparent, but it is a temperature of frame usage.  A ratio
allows asymetric frame size as temperature.

And the discovery appear the size/temperature as reference frame.

A relation of applied asymmetry causes this theory.  So now all
scientists can use his function to plot dark matter!  A simple
probability size of the apparent set of reference frames can search
for a true applied twin.

It is a very simple task now.

On Feb 28, 2:42 pm, "Douglas Eagleson" <eaglesondoug...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> A study of science to determine the cause of time dialation is a real
> good topic.  And to use the principle of MACH and the applied universe
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