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Acetonitrile recovery from Sulfuric Acid, Water and Acetonitrile Mixture.

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venkateswara reddy g - 06 Sep 2004 15:05 GMT
Dear Sir/madam,

I am doing a project to recover Acetonitrile (or Acetonitrile & water
azeotrope) from a mixture of 900 Lt. of Sulfuric Acid (We use 98%
one), 900 Lt. of Water and 600 Lt. of Acetonitrile.

is it possible to recover the acetonitrile? what about the Sulfuric
acid that is being present in the mixture? Would the Acetonitrile
remains same at elevated temparatures in presense of Sulfuric acid?

looking forward for you reply and thanking you in advance.

regards,

Venkateswara Reddy.G,
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Ron Jones - 08 Sep 2004 19:11 GMT
> Dear Sir/madam,
>
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>
> Venkateswara Reddy.G,

Acetonitrile boils at 82C
Water boils at 100C
Sulphuric boils at 335C

Odds are you will get azeotrope of just water and actonitrile.  Thus if you
have a reasonable column, you will get 16 parts water to 84 parts
acetonitrile.  Then the acetonitrile will run out well before much water is
lost, and the temperature won't be elevated much above 100C.  How much
acetonitrile will be lost (it is a nitrile and you have an acidic aqueous
medium) to hydroysis will be a function of the time taken for distillation.
It may be better to either (1) vac strip OR (2) flash off with short path
still first to remove the acid and then go for fractionation.  You will
still have the problem to solve of how to remove the last 16% of water from
your product if you want dry acetonitrile.

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venkateswara reddy g - 19 Sep 2004 15:24 GMT
Dear Jones!

Thank you for the reply.

I am just wondering whether the Acetonitrile will remain the same at
elevated temperatures in presence of acidic aqueous solution.

Please reply.

regards,
venkat

Ron Jones <ron@ronjones.org.uk> wrote in message news:<chni13$e6j@panther.Gsu.EDU>...
> venkateswara reddy g wrote:
> > Dear Sir/madam,

> > I am doing a project to recover Acetonitrile (or Acetonitrile & water
> > azeotrope) from a mixture of 900 Lt. of Sulfuric Acid (We use 98%
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > acid that is being present in the mixture? Would the Acetonitrile
> > remains same at elevated temparatures in presense of Sulfuric acid?

> > looking forward for you reply and thanking you in advance.
> >
> > regards,

> > Venkateswara Reddy.G,

> Acetonitrile boils at 82C
> Water boils at 100C
> Sulphuric boils at 335C

> Odds are you will get azeotrope of just water and actonitrile.  Thus if you
> have a reasonable column, you will get 16 parts water to 84 parts
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> still have the problem to solve of how to remove the last 16% of water from
> your product if you want dry acetonitrile.

> Don't repeat history, see unreported near misses in chemical lab/plant
> at http://www.crhf.org.uk
Signature

Paul J. Franklin(moderator - sci.chem.organic.synthesis)
http://organicworldwide.net/sci.chem.organic.synthesis
Georgia State University <chepjf@panther.gsu.edu>
Atlanta, GA

venkateswara reddy g - 19 Sep 2004 15:29 GMT
Dear Sir,
Thank you for the reply.

I just wonder whether Acetonitrile would be in Acetonitrile form only
at Elevated temperatures in presense of Sulfuric Acid.

PLease Clarify.

Regards,
Venkat

Ron Jones <ron@ronjones.org.uk> wrote in message news:<chni13$e6j@panther.Gsu.EDU>...
> venkateswara reddy g wrote:
> > Dear Sir/madam,

> > I am doing a project to recover Acetonitrile (or Acetonitrile & water
> > azeotrope) from a mixture of 900 Lt. of Sulfuric Acid (We use 98%
> > one), 900 Lt. of Water and 600 Lt. of Acetonitrile.

> > is it possible to recover the acetonitrile? what about the Sulfuric
> > acid that is being present in the mixture? Would the Acetonitrile
> > remains same at elevated temparatures in presense of Sulfuric acid?

> > looking forward for you reply and thanking you in advance.
> >
> > regards,

> > Venkateswara Reddy.G,

> Acetonitrile boils at 82C
> Water boils at 100C
> Sulphuric boils at 335C

> Odds are you will get azeotrope of just water and actonitrile.  Thus if you
> have a reasonable column, you will get 16 parts water to 84 parts
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> still have the problem to solve of how to remove the last 16% of water from
> your product if you want dry acetonitrile.

> Don't repeat history, see unreported near misses in chemical lab/plant
> at http://www.crhf.org.uk
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Paul J. Franklin(moderator - sci.chem.organic.synthesis)
http://organicworldwide.net/sci.chem.organic.synthesis
Georgia State University <chepjf@panther.gsu.edu>
Atlanta, GA

 
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