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Tal P - 02 Jul 2003 13:46 GMT
Is it
possible to make NO2 by reacting Urea with an oxidizer? If so, which oxidizer is suitable?
Thanks,
Tal P
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LOUIS - 08 Jul 2003 15:47 GMT
Urea + H2O2 --> urea peroxyde (NH2-CO-NH2.H2O2) --> No NOx!

PH Z

>  Is it
> possible to make NO2 by reacting Urea with an oxidizer? If so, which oxidizer is suitable?
> Thanks,
> Tal P

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LOUIS - 08 Jul 2003 15:47 GMT
HNO3 conc + H2SO4 conc + urea --> mononitrourea + dinitrourea
NH2-CO-NH-NO2 --> N2 + NH3 + H2O + NOx + CO2 + NH2-NO2
O2N-NH-CO-NH-NO2 --> idem but easier since much more unstable

Beware! Those are explosive when dry or when in large amounts!
The second one is a shock and heat sensitive exlosive.

PH Z

>  Is it
> possible to make NO2 by reacting Urea with an oxidizer? If so, which oxidizer is suitable?
> Thanks,
> Tal P

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Paddy - 08 Jul 2003 15:48 GMT
Not easily.

There are microorganisms that will hydrolise the urea and others that
will oxidise the ammonia to nitrite.  The oxidant is, ultimately,
atmospheric oxygen.  You could set up columns containing bound
bacteria to do this, but you would end up with a dilute solution of
nitrite or nitrate.

The other approach was used by one of the Kaisers, I believe.  This
involves reacting oxygen and nitrogen in an electrical discharge.  I
know this is nitrogen, not urea, but you can get from one to the other
by burning in oxygen.

It looks like you are researching background for a work of fiction
with these odd questions.  Commendations for taking the effort.
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Avy - 08 Jul 2003 15:52 GMT
its possible to make N2O :)
urea nitric and sulfuric :)

> Is it
> possible to make NO2 by reacting Urea with an oxidizer? If so, which oxidizer is suitable?
> Thanks,
> Tal P

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Paddy - 14 Jul 2003 17:44 GMT
Avy <chris2003@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<beels6$hea@panther.Gsu.EDU>...

> its possible to make N2O :)
> urea nitric and sulfuric :)

Yes, but the N2O comes from the added nitrate.
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