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Witek Mozga - 20 Oct 2003 16:56 GMT
Hi,

I need a procedure to react indole with carbonyl chloride to give
3-substituted indole. I know that this can be done using Grignard
reagent to abstract hydrogen to activate indole ring or just by a
simple reaction of indole with a chloride. I want to avoid Grignard
reagent and thus I found such references:
J. Med. Chem. 33; 2; 1990; 543-552
J. Med. Chem. 33; 2; 1990; 755-758
I have the journal in my library but the particular issue is missing.
Has snybody read it or know similar procedure?

Please advise

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Narcis Anghel - 22 Oct 2003 14:26 GMT
Hi, Witek!
pKa of indole is about 16.8 so u need a strong base (like Grignard
reagents) to deprotonate it (organic bases like amidines have pKaH about
12.6 and guanine 13 so they don't work).
I suggest u to use sodium metal to deprotonate the indole.
Regards,
Narcis

> Hi,

> I need a procedure to react indole with carbonyl chloride to give
> 3-substituted indole. I know that this can be done using Grignard
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I have the journal in my library but the particular issue is missing.
> Has snybody read it or know similar procedure?

> Please advise

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Steven - 23 Oct 2003 19:17 GMT
"Narcis Anghel" <nanghel@ch.tuiasi.ro> wrote in message news:<bn60hq$ftl@panther.Gsu.EDU>...
> Hi, Witek!
> pKa of indole is about 16.8 so u need a strong base (like Grignard
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Regards,
> Narcis

> > Hi,

> > I need a procedure to react indole with carbonyl chloride to give
> > 3-substituted indole. I know that this can be done using Grignard
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>  
> > Please advise

Hi, check out:
Organic Syntheses, Coll Vol. 6, p. 109

Direkt benzoylation at 3-position is difficult. You has to take a side
way to acieve the target.

3-Benzoylindole. A 100-ml., three-necked flask fitted with a magnetic
stirring bar, a condenser, and a pressure-equalizing dropping funnel
is charged with 0.48 g. (0.0060 mole) of copper(II) oxide, 1.61 g.
(0.0120 mole) of anhydrous copper(II) chloride (Note 8), and 40 ml. of
acetone. The resulting suspension is brought to reflux with vigorous
stirring, and a solution of 1.55 g. (0.00508 mole) of
3-(2-phenyl-1,3-dithian-2-yl)-1H-indole in 9 ml. of acetone and 1 ml.
of N,N-dimethylformamide is added over 5 minutes. Reflux temperatures
are maintained for 90 minutes, during which time the reaction mixture
gradually turns yellow, then the mixture is cooled and filtered. The
insoluble material is washed with three 20-ml. portions of hot 10%
ethanol in dichloromethane, and the combined organic solutions are
washed with 50 ml. of aqueous 2 N sodium carbonate (Note 9), dried
over sodium sulfate, and filtered. Concentration of the filtrate to a
small volume under reduced pressure gives a residue which gradually
deposits crystals. Filtration provides 0.94&#8211;0.97 g.
(85&#8211;88%) of pure 3-benzoylindole, m.p. 238&#8211;240°.

That is taken from the cited reference in Org. Synthesis.

Maybe you should check out also:

www.unb.br/iq/labpesq/qo/olv/olv/about.htm

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