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New method ruote for 2,5-Dimethoxynitrostyrene

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Chris F - 20 Nov 2003 17:30 GMT
Hey all, I have not posted in here for a wile but I have been wondering, I
finally found a interesting route to the nitrostyrene. The procedure looks
accurate enough, But sadly that ratios they are using are to small, In
theory the ratio or mmol can up scaled up right? I was thinking about it and
it would be possible but that factors will change,? Heat length et cetera et
cetera, Can any one give me some insight on the possibilities of scaling the
procedure up, Of course this would all be theoretical I just want to find
out if its at all possible to scale up with ease,

2,5-dimethoxybenzaldehyde (1.97 g, 11.8 mmol) and nitromethane
(0.72 g, 11.8 mmol) in methanol (200 mL) was stirred at room temperature
until
the solids dissolved. The solution was cooled to 0 deg C and a 10.5 M NaOH
solution (2 mL) was added dropwise over 20 min. The alkaline solution was
added
slowly to a 4% HCl solution (200 mL) maintained at 60 deg C. The pale yellow
amorphous solid that formed was filtered and washed with water (200 mL). The
crude product was recrystallized from absolute ethanol to give yellow
needles
(2.11 g, 85%)

Preparation of 10.5 M NaOH: Dissolve 10.5g sodium hydroxide under cooling
in 20ml water, and after cooling dilute the solution to exactly 25ml.

REF (JOC 1987, 52, 2945-2947)

Thanx

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Steve Turner - 23 Nov 2003 16:02 GMT
>Hey all, I have not posted in here for a wile but I have been wondering, I
>finally found a interesting route to the nitrostyrene. The procedure looks
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>procedure up, Of course this would all be theoretical I just want to find
>out if its at all possible to scale up with ease,

Planning to make mescaline?

Real address contains worldnet instead of spamnet

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Steven - 24 Nov 2003 18:21 GMT
Steve Turner <srturner1@spamnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<bpqllp$d1n@panther.Gsu.EDU>...
> Chris F <chris2003@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Real address contains worldnet instead of spamnet

No, sure he wants to make 2,5-Dimethoxyethylamine, not
3,4,5-Trimethoxyethylamine (= Mescaline). Or with a following
bromination, this leads the entry to make 2C-B, which is
4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyethylamine. That´s really old stuff. Please spare
this forum from those already well known, boring reactions. There are
enough other "forums" where the synthesis is already given.
But to speak chemical: The condensation between donor-substituted
(2,5-dimethoxy) benzaldehydes and CH-acidic nitromethane might cause
some problems in upscaling. The reason is, that the condensation takes
place not with the same ease, when acceptor-substitued benzaldehydes
are used, due to electronical reasons. Also there must be considered
the small gap between the CH-acidity and the nucleophilic character.
Thus this reaction takes only place with good results, when there is
found the "right" base in combination with the CH-acidity. Also the
formed nitrostyrene is very sensitive to polymerisation, that´s only a
question of duration, basicitiy of the base and temperature of the
reaction medium.
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Chris F - 09 Dec 2003 16:46 GMT
Yes and no in theory of course, but that is besides the point, I got the
answer yesterday, how weird that I got almost word for word that Steven
posted, Hats down to you that is some great info, It was of course a
question only, Since many of these chemicals are extremely hard to find or
expensive I would not want to do any thing like that, I am not even a
chemistry person just a question, Thanx

> Steve Turner <srturner1@spamnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:<bpqllp$d1n@panther.Gsu.EDU>...
> > Chris F <chris2003@shaw.ca> wrote:

> > >Hey all, I have not posted in here for a wile but I have been
wondering, I
> > >finally found a interesting route to the nitrostyrene. The procedure
looks
> > >accurate enough, But sadly that ratios they are using are to small, In
> > >theory the ratio or mmol can up scaled up right? I was thinking about
it and
> > >it would be possible but that factors will change,? Heat length et
cetera et
> > >cetera, Can any one give me some insight on the possibilities of
scaling the
> > >procedure up, Of course this would all be theoretical I just want to
find
> > >out if its at all possible to scale up with ease,

> > Planning to make mescaline?

> > Real address contains worldnet instead of spamnet

> No, sure he wants to make 2,5-Dimethoxyethylamine, not
> 3,4,5-Trimethoxyethylamine (= Mescaline). Or with a following
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> question of duration, basicitiy of the base and temperature of the
> reaction medium.

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