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Re: Ballistic Theory, Progress report...Suitable for 5yo Kids
| Henri Wilson | 11 Jul 2005 01:17 |
>> > On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:04:37 +0100, "George Dishman" >> > <george@briar.demon.co.uk> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >That doens't look favorable for BaT or >particle propagation models. Why not? Photons have an effective cross section that stretches to infinity. It does off very rapidly with distance from the central axis, though.
>Sue... > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >> George HW. www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
Sometimes I feel like a complete failure. The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong.
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| sue jahn | 10 Jul 2005 15:56 |
> > On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:04:37 +0100, "George Dishman" > > <george@briar.demon.co.uk> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > add a shutter, you can allow single photons > into the setup. If you do this by reducing the brigtness of the laser you allow a single *absorbed* photons to eject a photoelectron.
Quantum dot emitters that will measure out a single photon are now available. <<The experiment and Results This experiment proved that the following two things were possible in an open photonic network environment such as the Internet.
1. A single photon can interfere...>> http://www.physorg.com/news4536.html
IOW a single *emitted* photon goes through both slits.
That doens't look favorable for BaT or particle propagation models.
Sue...
At the same location as above,
> you still get a peak of probability of photons > arriving while half a fringe either side, the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > George |
| George Dishman | 10 Jul 2005 15:33 |
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:04:37 +0100, "George Dishman" > <george@briar.demon.co.uk> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You can say that about generated radio waves > but not individual photons. Another interesting subject.
Consider Young's slits illuminated by a laser. If the setup is symmetrical you get a bright line in the centre with fringes either side. Conventionally the high brightness at a location ten fringes to one side is due to the signal interfering such that the peak through one slit coincides with a peak ten wavelengths later that has travelled a longer path having come through the other slit.
If you reduce the brightness of the laser and add a shutter, you can allow single photons into the setup. At the same location as above, you still get a peak of probability of photons arriving while half a fringe either side, the probability is zero because a peak through one slit interferes with a trough 9.5 or 10.5 wavelengths later. That must apply to each photon individually.
>>> If light changes speed in flight, does the distance between >>> wavecrests change or not? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > his > frame? In Ritzian theory I would expect the wavelength to change according to the classical formula for a moving observer while if SR is right, it should change according to the relativistic formula.
George
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| Henri Wilson | 07 Jul 2005 22:12 |
>... >> The concept of 'light wavelength' is a bit obscure. > >Not really, it's the distance between points >of equal phase measured in the directon of >propagation. You can say that about generated radio waves but not individual photons.
>> If light changes speed in flight, does the distance between wavecrests >> change [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >within the glass as points outside in any >given time. No doubt about that one, George.
Now, if light speed relative to a particular observer changes due to the observer's motion, what would you expect happens to the 'wavelength' in his frame?
>George HW. www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
Sometimes I feel like a complete failure. The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong.
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| George Dishman | 06 Jul 2005 19:04 |
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> The concept of 'light wavelength' is a bit obscure. Not really, it's the distance between points of equal phase measured in the directon of propagation.
> If light changes speed in flight, does the distance between wavecrests > change > or not? Unless wavelength = speed / frequency, you need your "tick fairies" at every change of refractive index. Think of light passing through a sheet of glass, there must be the same number of wavefronts passing a point within the glass as points outside in any given time.
George
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| Henri Wilson | 04 Jul 2005 00:20 |
>> Definition of the BaT: "Light initially moves at c wrt its source". >> [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > >The Ballistic Theory is refuted by the double slit experiment. Why? photons have cross-sections.
The concept of 'light wavelength' is a bit obscure. If light changes speed in flight, does the distance between wavecrests change or not?
HW. www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
Sometimes I feel like a complete failure. The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong.
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| kenseto | 03 Jul 2005 20:46 |
> Definition of the BaT: "Light initially moves at c wrt its source". > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > The BaT acknowleges the existence of extinction and that 'local aether frames' > may exist in the vicinity of matter. These may determine local light speeds. The Ballistic Theory is refuted by the double slit experiment.
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| Henri Wilson | 03 Jul 2005 00:26 |
Definition of the BaT: "Light initially moves at c wrt its source".
If a remote light source emits a pulse of light towards a target observer moving relatively at v1, then, from the point of view of a third observer O3, the 'closing speed' of that pulse towards the first observer is c+v1.
For another target observer moving at v2, the closing speed is seen as c+v2. Here is the experimental setup:
S_._._._._._._.>p_._._._._._._.v1<T1_._._ v2<T2
O3
O3 sets up a line of equally separated clocks which measure the speed of a light pulse emitted by S towards T1 and T2. O3 also measures the speed of T1 and T2 towards S. The readings enable him to calculate the different 'closing speeds' between the pulse and T1 and the pulse and T2.
I understand that SRians agree on this. The principle of relativity says it matters not whether the source or target is considered as moving. Therefore, the above considerations hold just as well for differently moving sources.
Thus, for a particular target, the 'closing speed' of light from relatively moving sources is c+v3, c+v4, etc., as seen by O3.
Consider a star of constant brightness moving in some kind of orbit. From O3's POV, light emitted at different times of (its) year will have different 'closing speeds' towards any particular target (unless the orbit plane is normal). For illustration purposes, let the star emit equally spaced and identical pulses of light as it orbits. Thus, from O3's POV, some pulses will tend to catch up with others. Some will tend to move further away. The O3 will detect bunching and separation at certain points along the light path. Fast pulses will eventually overtake slow ones if no target intervenes.
Armed with this knowledge, O3 will reason that any target observer will receive pulses from the star at different rates. This can only mean that OT will, in reality, perceive the observed brightness of any (intrinsically stable) star in orbit to be varying cyclically over the star's year, by an amount that will depend on the distance to the star.
There are thousands of known stars that exhibit this type of very regular brightness variation. Most of their brightness curves can be matched by my variable star simulation program: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe Note: Einstein's unproven claim that the target observer will always MEASURE the speed of the incoming pulses as being c is completely irrelevant to this argument.
The BaT acknowleges the existence of extinction and that 'local aether frames' may exist in the vicinity of matter. These may determine local light speeds.
HW. www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
Sometimes I feel like a complete failure. The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong.
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